should i be just take the free card

craigcu12

it's the same problem every time at night i try a value bet with what looks a good hand and instead see a jam, now these are the same villians who will limp call preflop so unless i know they are a maniac the chances are they have the nuts. if it were against the passive type who try and trap me then i would bet but against the aggro who will jam right away should i just do the check on the turn and take the free card when the board is so dangerous.

x	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£4.83
tonetana	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.68
	Your hole cards	K K
craigcu12	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£7.62
hotangel12	Call		£0.16	£0.38	£4.09
Aidan001	Fold
electroace	Call		£0.14	£0.52	£4.69
tonetana	Call		£0.12	£0.64	£4.56
Flop
		A J 10
x	Check
tonetana	Check
craigcu12	Check
hotangel12	Bet		£0.04	£0.68	£4.05
x	Raise		£0.24	£0.92	£4.45
tonetana	Fold
craigcu12	call		£0.24	£1.16	£7.38
hotangel12	Fold
Turn
		K
x	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£0.58	£1.74	£6.80
x	All-in		£4.45	£6.19	£0.00
craigcu12

LARSON7

No value bet here, and fold to a raise, if we had 100 bb I would fold here.

Given our stack happily getting it in.

77Chris91

In Response to Re: should i be just take the free card:

No value bet here, and fold to a raise, if we had 100 bb I would fold here. Given our stack happily getting it in.
Posted by LARSON7

Your decision should not be affected by whether your up/down on your session or not. It's important to just make as many good +ev decisions as possible regardless. It shouldn't matter whether your 10bi up or 10bi down just try and play every hand as profitably as possible.

Check turn

NColley

why did you call the flop?

this guy cold called pre from the small blind and checked raised 4 way.

flop is an easy fold

turn is an easier check back and evaluate the river, as played fold.

LARSON7

Just seen the stack sizes you are well stacked.

I would bet and fold to a big re-raise.

Maybe checking the turn is best to see a free card.

However, I would have folded the flop with the action, raise and a re-raise.

Hope you binked your card on the river.

GELDY

Either fold the flop
or as the initial aggressor take a bet/fold approach
but c/c doesn't really help you know where you are
you are left with only 3 Qs to really hope for
you are not priced in for a passive approach
ps not nl4 specific

craigcu12

although it was a mistake and i should have folded the flop as i would have been behind.

i just didn't like it having to toss away yet another hand all because of another 4p bluff.

what i thought to myself when i called was if i knew that the player on the button was another who has a habit of doing 4p donks i would have did a 16pcbet myself anyway.

Lambert180

You're not facing a '4p bluff' though, you're facing the 4p bet AND someone else who has check/raised to 24p.

What hands do you think they would check/raise on this board? How many are you you ahead of, how many are you behind to?

craigcu12

i understand the flop being a mistake to call when i know they will be not betting without it.
i should have thought more about how much extra i have saved by checking rather than thinking about how much i would cbet if OOP to that 4p donk next.

Slipwater

Yeah, at the 2p/4p level you are almost always beaten here on the flop by at least one of them, if not both. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 4p bet had a small ace and the 24p raiser had A10 or AQ.