I actually had Orford and the bag of cement round for a game a few weeks ago and it's fair to say that he didn't say much until he got a few drinks inside him. Then he loosened up a bit and told some quite funny stories about his time on sky. Orford was the designated driver he didn't say b-gger all all night.
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Lol @ "Orford & a bag of cement"!
I know which of the two would be more interesting, more useful, & make for better conversation & company. And it ain't Orford.