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So situation in below hand is it's on the bubble of a DYM and I am shortie with very small stack of 1290 (only 2BB's). UTG raises pre and I fold. Big blind then types in the chatbox "AK" before calling. He ends up losing the hand anyway when UTG cbets flop.
I pull the villain on it saying he's a cheating trucker. He simply says "whatever" and so from his response and from the tone of a few others afterwards I am 99.9% certain he was letting UTG know his hand and not putting his opponent on a hand or whatever.
Is this a form of collusion? Should I report them?
I pull the villain on it saying he's a cheating trucker. He simply says "whatever" and so from his response and from the tone of a few others afterwards I am 99.9% certain he was letting UTG know his hand and not putting his opponent on a hand or whatever.
Is this a form of collusion? Should I report them?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| sb | Small blind | 300.00 | 300.00 | 1560.00 | |
| CHEATER | Big blind | 600.00 | 900.00 | 4230.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| x | Raise | 1200.00 | 2100.00 | 2820.00 | |
| jdsallstar | Fold | 1290.00 | |||
| x | Fold | ||||
| CHEATER | Call | 600.00 | 2700.00 | 3630.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| CHEATER | Check | ||||
| x | Bet | 1200.00 | 3900.00 | 1620.00 | |
| showtek | Fold | ||||
| x | Muck | ||||
| x | Win | 2700.00 | 4320.00 | ||
| x | Return | 1200.00 | 0.00 | 5520.00 | |
Comments
Players say these sort of things all the time.
Sometimes they are telling the truth.......
One regular in the PLO8 DYM's does it repeatedly. I never believe him.
The same guy, if you raise him, will ask, "you got Aces?".
Not entirely sure why he would ask such a question, or what answer he expects.
It is even worse in Live Poker, I must have heard these convos a thousand times....
You got the King?
You got the flush?
Will you fold if I raise?
Will you show if I fold?
These people must think we are all stupid.
Reckon this is just a case of a guy not being able to fold AK even though he knows he should. He feels handcuffed by the chip distribution and feels ul that he's been dealt such a big hand that he wants to play and wants people to know.
I know the feeling tbh and do it on other sites.
If I flop 999 on 982 rainbow for example, and the board runs out 10, Jack, and the fella bombs the river.
I feel vul, I have to fold, but I want people to know I've been ul (because I'm a fish) so I'll show the hand before I fold.
A lot of genuine bbv posts are done for the same reason, people want others to show sym/empathy for then when they feel hard done to.
This is probably one of those scenarios.
If it was genuine collusion he'd have no reason to name his hand. He could just peel and c/f.
He's not exactly safe himself here, he can't afford to to be spewing chips like this. More bad play than anything else imo.
fwiw, a mate of mine exchanged emails with sky about the general topic of disclosing your hand in chat, and apparently although they don't encourage it, it doesn't break any rules.
i.e. I have decent stack on DYM bubble and there's short stack at the table and I raise to put him in. He actually folds but there's players acting after him - I'm telling them I have 10's, JJ, QQ, KK, AQ, AK etc to discourage calls/shoves.
Not collusion imo just ridiculously bad DYM play from both villains lol.
It has been happening since poker was invented. It's not good etiquette, but it happens.
In Live Poker, in many UK Venues, you can say what your hand is, during the hand, as long as you....DO NOT TELL THE TRUTH.
Go figure.
Just play your usual game, & ignore all that nonsense, as almost everyone does.
They are just as likely lying as telling the truth, it's just nonsense.
Good luck.
With a shortie in a dym and I have a comfortable stack I don't want to go to war with another comfortable stack even with hands as strong as I mention.
Problem is when the villain did state his hand I was powerless to do anything as I was so short and realistically had two hands left to play but by letting UTG know his hand he easily could of prevented himself and UTG from clashing and knocking the other out (therefore letting me slip into the money). To me if he'd typed in the chat window "take it easy on each other and we'll just gang up on the shortie" it would have been the same thing.
In a normal tournament or cash game I don't think this has as big of an impact but in a dym (especially on the bubble) I think this can be manipulated very advantageously.
Seriously, JD, (my advice would be....) just play the game normally, & forget all this nonsense. In the long term it will confer no advatage to anyone.
Either way I believe the vast majority of the time he plays his hand in a really straight forward fashion.
It has to give an advantage - imagine from my example UTG had QQ and the flop came down 10 J Q. How willing would UTG be willing to shove/call a shove on the flop when:
a) BB had said nothing
b) BB had said he had AK
Also bearing in mind it's on the bubble and the shortie has 2 BB's left.
I would also like the (approximately) £3 I had put into the pot, to be returned to my account.
Thanks.