UKPC £240 Final - Sunday - Blinds Structure - thoughts?

Kazuko

Hi,

I was considering entering this tournament, untill I looked at the structure.

4k Stack, 12 min blinds.

This tournament is a big deal, with a high buyin -

Yet some sky poker tournaments with a £2.20 buyin (£100 Deep Stack) has a slower structure.

5k Stack 12 min blinds.

Granted its a Deep Stack tournament, but for me it doesnt make sense for a £2.20 tournament to have a slower structure than a £240.

Surely a 10k starting stack makes sense for this kind of tournament?

Just wondered if anyone else had any thoughts?

Lambert180

I haven't looked/compared a £2 deepstack and this myself but I'd imagine/hope(!) it's a better structure. One thing you haven't covered is the blind levels.

Obv very different structures if they're both 12 min blinds but one goes...

10/20

15/30

20/40

25/50 etc

and one goes

10/20

20/40

30/60

50/100 etc

Bigger starting stacks dont improve structures, it just makes it super deep at the start so every is sat tight for ages not playing any hands. It's way more important that it's deeper in the late stages than the early stages.

For instance, I played a UKOPS ME the other week, 10k starting stack, but instead of starting at 10/20 like every other Sky comp, it started at 25/50 I believe or 20/40 so pretty much pointless, might aswell start at the regular level and give everyone 4k (like the £240 game)

hhyftrftdr

Structure is good for a sat, plenty of play and should sort the good from the not so good. With it being a sat, it doesn't need to go on all night because of the flat payout system. 

Not many sats, or any on Sky, get 200bb stack and 12 min blinds. Pointless comparing it to a 2 quid deepstack IMO.

GELDY

general sat structure on here ends up with a bubble sweat as the blinds race around

and that's fine by me, even if I did bubble the semi today

you just need to know how to play them, and play enough to even out the variance

if you prefer slow structure deep stacks, play them instead and save your winnings to paying for a direct buyin.

Kazuko

Lambert180 Blind structure levels :

Sure I did take a peep, but as you see by level 7 they both have  75/150 blinds. 

The blinds are structured slightly different, but none is structured (much) slower.

hhyftrftdr - 200 BB`s

No tournament on sky poker has 200bb`s, granted, but how many have a £240 buyin......

This tournament will be a small field, and 1 in 5 get in, so it certainly won't go on "all night" as suggested.

Just my thoughts anyway ....

Kazuko

GELDY - I get your point, but this tournament isn't a regular tournament. You can't play this sat 30 times a month and average varience. 

If sky wants my £££ the blind structure would need to change for such a big buyin.

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: UKPC £240 Final - Sunday - Blinds Structure - thoughts?:

GELDY  - I get your point, but this tournament isn't a regular tournament. You can't play this sat 30 times a month and average varience.  If sky wants my £££ the blind structure would need to change for such a big buyin.
Posted by Kazuko

I'm sure they'll live without your ''£££''. 

jakally

Structure is fine. You've got to remember that lots of people try to Sat into the final who have got to get up for work Monday morning... needs not to go on forever.

Pretty sure you will find that you are getting good value for money....

Kazuko

jakally Its a sunday, if thats the primary reason for the fast structure, just start the tournament a little earlier??

Don't people paying the £2.20 have jobs?

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: UKPC £240 Final - Sunday - Blinds Structure - thoughts?:

jakally  Its a sunday, if thats the primary reason for the fast structure, just start the tournament a little earlier?? Don't people paying the £2.20 have jobs?
Posted by Kazuko

Why on earth do you think it's a fast structure?! You could join just before late reg closes, an hour into the tourney, and be sat with 50bb.

125bb starting stack, and 12 minute levels does not constitute a fast structure. Especially for a sat.

Kazuko

Its fast based on buyin amount.

its about $400 US, similar buyin donkaments on other sites (less good  sites I might add) would have a slower structure thats for sure. 

I don't know what your bankrolls like, or what games you play, but comparing a £240 buyin to otehr "sats" isnt right. What "sats" are we talking about and what are the buyins?

Im just stating that in my opinion - and we are all entitled to them - its fast for such a big event.

The UKPC Final is a big deal. The structure should represent it.

jakally

In Response to Re: UKPC £240 Final - Sunday - Blinds Structure - thoughts?:

jakally  Its a sunday, if thats the primary reason for the fast structure, just start the tournament a little earlier?? Don't people paying the £2.20 have jobs?
Posted by Kazuko

It's like this. If you design a feeder/sat structure which is attractive to less skilled players than yourself, they will have a go, knowing that they at least have a shot at getting a seat.

That creates a good situation for you, because you can pony-up your cash, in the knowledge that you've got a better than decent chance of taking a prize.

Feels like a win-win spot to me.

Kazuko

jakally we have played a bit, I respect your opinion.

I just feel like big tournaments should be deep, If I wanted to play bingo there a nice big purple button at the top

jakally

In Response to Re: UKPC £240 Final - Sunday - Blinds Structure - thoughts?:

jakally   we have played a bit, I respect your opinion. I just feel like big tournaments should be deep, If I wanted to play bingo there a nice big purple button at the top
Posted by Kazuko

I understand what you are saying, but sometimes it's useful to concede a little bit of ground to create a positive situation. 

12 minute blinds isn't terrible, and there's no way you aren't a big favourite over the field to get a seat.

Kazuko

I dont see how the "situation" is being created by the structure. Would players have not entered the semi had they thought the final was 10k chips?

Im not saying its not a good situation, or that im not a favorite with the current structure. 

jakally

In Response to Re: UKPC £240 Final - Sunday - Blinds Structure - thoughts?:

I dont see how the "situation" is being created by the structure. Would players have not entered the semi had they thought the final was 10k chips? Im not saying its not a good situation, or that im not a favorite with the current structure. 
Posted by Kazuko

You may be right.... you could change the structure/ start time and still get a similar player pool.

But if you asked me if the current situation is worth £240 of your money, then I would say definitely, yes.

CrazyBen23

Would you like those 10k chips to also have a structure starting at 10/20 lol come on lets get our silly hats off

Kazuko

CrazyBen23 what games do u play again??..

CrazyBen23

Dont get all big and clever just cos im a 60p dym reg

Kazuko

In Response to Re: UKPC £240 Final - Sunday - Blinds Structure - thoughts?:

Dont get all big and clever just cos im a 60p dym reg
Posted by CrazyBen23

I'm not being clever, but neither am I being "silly" as you put it. It's like comparing the structure of your local casino £30 FO to a £1000 GUKPT for instance....

For you  10k chips might seem unreasonable but I don't see any other sites offering similar structure on there £2 as there £240 tournaments

chicknMelt

I play the UKPC final regularly -  I think the structure is spot on. arent the £5 tourneys you mention billed as deepstacks? a 4k starting stack and 12 min blinds is standard for the higher buy in tourneys on sky, and is about right IMO. it is far from a fast structure.

Slipwater

In general, and traditionally, satellite tournaments are a little quicker anyway, but for what it's worth (which probably ain't much) I think the UKPC sats are the best structured satellites Sky have offered in the last couple of years. I certainly have no complaints about the 'lack of depth' or 'fast pace'.

FlashFlush

Kazuko, out of interest do you play many tournament's on Sky? I think I saw your name at the top of the PS4 promo, so you clearly play a lot of cash and poker in general. The trouble is, you're just comparing this structure to some of he big sites. It's totally different on Sky. Obviously it's 6 handed, you don't get time banks, and just everything about this site seems to be quicker than any other. You will get plenty of value with 4k chips and 12 min blinds.

I don't think Sky expect many players to pay £240 for the satellite. I mean if you're rolled for a £240 satellite, then you may as well just buy into the main. The whole idea of Skypoker is to give the little guys a chance. There is already somebody who posted the other day they got in for £2.20 and that is fantastic. That's the sort of thing Sky want. They will now go and tell all their friends they are playing this big £1100 tournament for a couple of quid! What I'm getting at, the longer the structure, then the less like a tournament it actually plays, and it's more like a long cash game and the less chance the inexperienced players will have. 

FWIW, I think the structure is spot on, I don't think it's fast in the slightest, and as others have said, probably the slowest satellite structure there has ever been (Not sure what the VLV structure was)