Bet Sizing - The Fundamentals

mugsy78

Hand 1 looks fairly standard.

Hand 2 villains 4 betting range is going to be heavily weighted to AA/KK/AK, JJ will be the very bottom of his range here so QQ does not play well vs his entire range. At best you will flipping, so it's a fold for me. If you know villain is super spewy then maybe you can make this call but I'm asessing the hand in a vacum.

craigcu12

today has shown the other side of the micro stakes as i had hands which were all in preflop when all they have is 66 and 1010 so weather or not they used these posts as a way to attempt them i don't know but what i do know is i should be much more quiet with how i play as then they will not know me as much.

Lambert180

Hi Craig,

It looks like you're just struggling with understanding variance. I'd bet anything the fact they got it in with 66/TT recently has nothing to do with your posts, it's just variance. People have ranges to get it in, like if someone will get it in pre with any pair 22 - AA and AK, then us getting it in with KK is an amazing spot for us, if they happen to have had AA the last 2-3 times we've got it in then that is completely irrelevant as long as we know we got their range correct. Sometimes you just happen to walk into the top of people's range a lot but that doesn't mean we should stop getting it in when we're getting it in verrry good against his range.

Hand 1 - Readless completely standard to get it in on this flop.

Hand 2 - Readless at 4NL I probably call it off the first time here. Remember though, just cos you saw KK this time doesn't mean he ONLY does it with monsters, for all you know he'd have done the exact same thing with 77. So just keep an eye on him, even if you're not the one calling it off, keep an eye on if he gets it in pre V someone else and see what he turns up with.

BorinLoner

Too long, didn't read.



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Slykllist

Very surprised there is not a single mention of pot odds in the op?

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Bet Sizing - The Fundamentals:

Very surprised there is not a single mention of pot odds in the op?
Posted by Slykllist

That's cos, as weird as it sounds, it's not really that important in terms of our bet sizing, imo at least.

Loads of people think about bet sizing as a means of 'charging people for draws' or not letting people 'draw for cheap' and so are really worried about if people have the odds to call but really you're always either trying to get the max amount they are willing to pay when you think you're ahead, or give yourself the best chance of them folding while doing it as cheaply as possible if you think you're behind (or they have good equity in the hand)

If you bet 1/2 pot so 50p into a £1 pot, they then have to call 50p to win £1.50 so they're getting 3:1 which means they'd need a 25% chance of catching up on the next card... that's VERY few hands

If you have an open ended straight flush draw so 9 flush outs, and 6 straight outs (cos 2 are flush cards) that's 15 outs and so about 30% chance of hitting on the next card so they're just about getting the price to call down.

My point being, unless someone has an insane amount of outs, even a 1/2pot bet is gonna make it a bad call from them in almost all cases (ignoring implied odds)..., BUT, we don't want them to make a bad call, we want them to make a realllly bad call  

Lambert180

Bump for the Rutter-meister or anyone else that missed it.

RyanC7

way too long to even consider reading.

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Bet Sizing - The Fundamentals:

way too long to even consider reading.
Posted by RyanC7

It's alright, your bet sizing is beyond fixing anyway

RyanC7

Haha, I know I know. 

Lambert180

Bump for craigcu12. It would take me ages to give a good reply to your question about the 77 hand in the clinic and its all here really so thought I'd just bump it.

There is no one size fits all bet size that we can or should use, virtually every situation is different in some way