Folding a set

gazza127

Lead flop? Raise flop?

Sigh, kick cat, fold turn, apologise to cat and give him a cuddle when we see AK drawing dead  or KJ needing to hit river to set of Jacks??

Maybe..

gazza127

2	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£49.75
gazza127	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£53.50
	Your hole cards	9 9
hurst05	Fold
60nine60	Fold
1	Raise		£1.00	£1.75	£76.06
kcxyz	Fold
2	Raise		£4.25	£6.00	£45.50
gazza127	Call		£4.00	£10.00	£49.50
1	Call		£3.50	£13.50	£72.56
Flop
		K 9 8
2	Check
gazza127	Check
1	Bet		£6.50	£20.00	£66.06
2	Call		£6.50	£26.50	£39.00
gazza127	Call		£6.50	£33.00	£43.00
Turn
		J
2	Check
gazza127	Check
1	All-in		£66.06	£99.06	£0.00
2	All-in		£39.00	£138.06	£0.00
gazza127	?

Now I know folding a set seems like setting fire to money in a situation like this.  But looking at villain 2s play here its clear he has a very strong hand.... and thats ingoring the fact that villain 1 has shoved.

Villain 2 is quite capable checking with top set here and letting other people fire away, but thats not to say he always has it here.

Just a curious one.  Should we EVER be folding here as we are undoubtably up against two strong made hands?

After all it is cash game strategy

KAM99

I don't like folding sets much, but there are times, and this does look like one. You might be ahead of one of them, but ahead of both? Some how I have to assume not. You had bottom set on flop and still on turn. Only draw that has got there is Q10 and that is unlikely they call flop on a gutshot or preflop for that matter. Given raise and reraise preflop maybe AK vs JJ/kk/99. AA seems unlikely, but posible I guess. Either way I think folding is right, even if you get to kick yourself when they show some dumb as rocks hands at showdown.

Lambert180

As played think we can fold turn, but I'd probably be raising flop to get it in (KAM99 - we have middle set, not bottom set), and if it happens to be flopped nuts v flopped 2nd nuts.... well that's just cruel.

KAM99

In Response to Re: Folding a set:

As played think we can fold turn, but I'd probably be raising flop to get it in (KAM99 - we have middle set, not bottom set), and if it happens to be flopped nuts v flopped 2nd nuts.... well that's just cruel.
Posted by Lambert180

Wow, not sure how my brain got to him have 88 by the time I typed my post, but that is what I swore he had. lol

Yeah agree, I check raise with 99 to get it all in too. And still stick withh what I said on as played though, just like you. Can't see us being ahead often against both of them.

Sorry froro the misread though.

RyanC7

Pretty awful peeling here imo. Basically showing your opponent that you have 88-JJ

RyanC7

Only 100bb aswell. Defo fold pre, anyone else agree? Like what are you gonna do on 733, c/c give up turn? Mehh just so easy to play against 

F_Ivanovic

Overthinking gazza.... we got a set in a 3b pot where the SPR on the flop is 4. Only reason I'm flatting flop is to get this kind of situation on the turn. 

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Folding a set:

Only 100bb aswell. Defo fold pre, anyone else agree? Like what are you gonna do on 733, c/c give up turn? Mehh just so easy to play against 
Posted by RyanC7

I was gonna say this too but Gazza doesn't like being told to fold pre

Cold calling 3bets 100xBB eff when we're OOP w/ 99 so effectively setmining is never gonna be good.

N1CK

In Response to Re: Folding a set:

Only 100bb aswell. Defo fold pre, anyone else agree? Like what are you gonna do on 733, c/c give up turn? Mehh just so easy to play against 
Posted by RyanC7

yeah and hes not closing the action

CraigSG1

I sigh fold pre. Check raise flop. Calling is read dependant on opponents. If there capable of getting it in with worse than us then I think you have to call. It's not the greatest spot but we have under repped our hand. We still have one out!

77Chris91

Not folding here your hand is super underepped.

Everyone is saying c/r the flop. I disagree.

Given the action preflop/flop c/r here is signposting you have a set. As Ryan stated your range is 99-JJ + AQ here. There's no draws to rep and your raising into 2 players. Even a half decent villain is gonna realise you have 88/99 sooo often. Flatting the flop keeps your range tons wider and allows you to get the action you did on the turn.

I'd be folding AK here if you c/r this flop. (Unless your playing like a bit of a maniac) 

gazza127

Well I tank called in the end despite villain 2 looking so nutted.

Villain 1 had 89

Villain 2 had AA

Someone perked up about a slowroll... but felt like it was close to a fold.

Good to see everyones opinion.

Thanks all.

rancid

too many monsters under the bed Gazza


calling 3 bets 100bb deep and folding sets is so terrible