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Why lock the is it a fix thread?
Hey,
Just curious why it was locked? Can't educate these players really by just ignoring them. That was one thing I liked about fulltilts forum, they never locked the "rigged thread" just made sure anyone that wanted to discuss if online poker was rigged, fixed or not random enough posted in that one topic.
I know it's sky's forum to do with as they feel, but I think to shut people up just makes it look like they had a point and you are silencing them. Even if they don't have a point (which they don't really) they should be allowed to discuss it and have their concerns addressed, don't you think?
Some of them can't have thier minds changed, but many can. And playing devils advocare even though online poker isn't really fixed it also don't always have the best record either.
Just curious why it was locked? Can't educate these players really by just ignoring them. That was one thing I liked about fulltilts forum, they never locked the "rigged thread" just made sure anyone that wanted to discuss if online poker was rigged, fixed or not random enough posted in that one topic.
I know it's sky's forum to do with as they feel, but I think to shut people up just makes it look like they had a point and you are silencing them. Even if they don't have a point (which they don't really) they should be allowed to discuss it and have their concerns addressed, don't you think?
Some of them can't have thier minds changed, but many can. And playing devils advocare even though online poker isn't really fixed it also don't always have the best record either.
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great endorsements for an open and frank community whats is the point in having a community when all that happens is threads get closed because some do not agree with the content or the content annoys the great and mighty?
the forum is for everyone not just the stuck up few
i agree with you about the fix thread of course sky must do what is best for the name and there are rules. but why not try educate people/let the community talk about it in a constructive way..no i don,t think sky is rigged by the way
but my comments that where deleted today really never needed too be deleted and the skegs thread itself has disappered and probably closed thats what i was more annoyed at but did not see the point in starting a new thread about it
The simple fact is closing threads doesn't change their mind. All it does is convinnce them they were right and they are hidding their telling of the truth, even when they aren't. Open discourse is always better than silencing people. What country do we live in after all?
Course it is a little harder to prove on sky compared to sites where you can use data collection of your own to prove it, but there is just no way sky would do it. It's not like poker is their main concern and they would not risk their reputation by doing so, it would be crazy, and doesn't earn them any more money by doing so. It's the main thing most rigged theorists don't look at. The sites have no care who wins a pot in a cash game, they earn off the rake. They don't earn more if you go broke and deposit again.
So I say educate where you can, but sure control it from being posts all over the forum, as that just gets messy and annoying.
Funny enough I've been in a few games online where there was collusion going on. Spotted it twice, but missed it a couple of times too. Certainly four times that I'm aware of, but maybe more I'm not and that got missed by the other players/site too. Think it was partly why pokerstars banned a whole country for a while.
Not sure why Sky limit their player base to the UK. Maybe something to do with regulations, or maybe just their own choice. Certainly since the US ban on online poker the tables are drastically different compared to a few years ago. Lot of the poorer countries that have lower standards of living are playing poker due to the cost of living being lower and so more scope to use poker as an earning source.
In simple terms it is the same, but they know what other is playing and work together to make it hard for you to play against them. They will dump off chips to each other (folding before showdown after betting turn etc), and various other things too. Sometimes it is harder to spot, but sometimes it can be vary obvious that two players are doing odd things together in hands, and on many occasions.
Think about it this way. You are playing holdem starting hand vs a guy playing an Omaha starting hand. This puts you at a disadvantage in every single hand.
I think a formal agreement is wrong but playing to win is fine-surely.
Hence the easy ones to spot are when they are folding rivers when they could check behind on the river, but instead fold. Not something you can judge on a one hand deal because sometimes people will fold rivers when they could have checked just to protect what they were playing when they know they can't possible win the hand. But see it a few times from players in a game and it's obvious.
Like I said sometimes it is really easy to spot, other times not so. THat said it's not like it is happening in loads of games and sites do pay fair attention to it. It's one reason I like playing with tracking software on other sites. Helps keep eye on weird things that might be going on with players or even sites themselves.
Is this a stanndard thing? No. Is Sky going to cheat players? No, it would be utterly pointless for them and damage their image in too many other areas. Does it mean most players complaining are deluding themselves? Yes. Does it mean they shouldn't have a voice in case they have a point? Hmm, debateable I guess.
I wouldn't question sky's software or RNG. I can't, as I don't have the data to do so, and as there is no way to use tracking software here it would be hard to prove if their RNG is in an area you'd expect statistically. I have no doubt it isn't going to be dealing any different for anyone else though.