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What makes a total player?
Why the total player needs to be so much more than a total player!!
Theres been a lot of people not happy with the selections on total player so far, saying only the top players are getting picked….
This is obvious, was always going to happen, and in my opinion, SHOULD happen.
The total player needs to me much more than just a good poker player. The prize for the winner is to go and play against the BEST players in the world. - This shouldn’t be looked at as a holiday, or a bonus, the TOTAL PLAYER, should be going to the WSOP with the intention of WINNING the tournament.
The total player of course needs to be a good player, but we all know the game of poker isn’t only about cards, chips, raises and folds. - It’s played in the head.
Therefore, the total player must be determined, be selfish, be successful, be willing to improve, and do everything they possibly can to better themselves, and most importantly, they must be a winner!
Look at a Mcenroe (spellchek), a Schumacher (spellcheck), sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho (spellcheck), Ali, Shane Warne - I’m sure u wud agree they r the best at what they do, and why? - Yes they’ve got talent, but they’ve worked hard to get to the top but most importantly - They’re winners and HATE to lose.
The most important attribute in any field is to be a winner! People are born with talent, its what you do with the talent that decides how far you go.
I’m sure there’s players playing 2p/4p and 30p DYM’s with talent, poker ability, but unless they are new to the game, they obviously haven’t had the desire to improve and better themselves so that they can progress and move up the levels.
How are these guys gonna feel sat next to world champions, what r they gonna do with their set of kings on the river when the 3rd heart comes facing a check raise from Tom Dwan in Vegas in a $10k buy in tourny?The total player should be exactly that! - So the higher stakes players r the correct choice.
GL ALL, DOHH
- P.S just a note, I think the concept is brilliant, however, I feel sky have got it the wrong way round. I think the short list should be decided by the players, after all we’re playing against eachother all day every day! - Then the experts shud look at the short list and decide who gets thru etc etc. Rather than the eventual winner be decided on the forum.
- Also, I dnt think that 10% of the winnings is significant when the expert is selecting players, Unless the player goes reallllllyyyyy deep in the ME, it isnt gonna be a huge sum of money. I rekon the expert wud take more pride in coaching a player to success than he wud picking up the pennies.
Theres been a lot of people not happy with the selections on total player so far, saying only the top players are getting picked….
This is obvious, was always going to happen, and in my opinion, SHOULD happen.
The total player needs to me much more than just a good poker player. The prize for the winner is to go and play against the BEST players in the world. - This shouldn’t be looked at as a holiday, or a bonus, the TOTAL PLAYER, should be going to the WSOP with the intention of WINNING the tournament.
The total player of course needs to be a good player, but we all know the game of poker isn’t only about cards, chips, raises and folds. - It’s played in the head.
Therefore, the total player must be determined, be selfish, be successful, be willing to improve, and do everything they possibly can to better themselves, and most importantly, they must be a winner!
Look at a Mcenroe (spellchek), a Schumacher (spellcheck), sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho (spellcheck), Ali, Shane Warne - I’m sure u wud agree they r the best at what they do, and why? - Yes they’ve got talent, but they’ve worked hard to get to the top but most importantly - They’re winners and HATE to lose.
The most important attribute in any field is to be a winner! People are born with talent, its what you do with the talent that decides how far you go.
I’m sure there’s players playing 2p/4p and 30p DYM’s with talent, poker ability, but unless they are new to the game, they obviously haven’t had the desire to improve and better themselves so that they can progress and move up the levels.
How are these guys gonna feel sat next to world champions, what r they gonna do with their set of kings on the river when the 3rd heart comes facing a check raise from Tom Dwan in Vegas in a $10k buy in tourny?The total player should be exactly that! - So the higher stakes players r the correct choice.
GL ALL, DOHH
- P.S just a note, I think the concept is brilliant, however, I feel sky have got it the wrong way round. I think the short list should be decided by the players, after all we’re playing against eachother all day every day! - Then the experts shud look at the short list and decide who gets thru etc etc. Rather than the eventual winner be decided on the forum.
- Also, I dnt think that 10% of the winnings is significant when the expert is selecting players, Unless the player goes reallllllyyyyy deep in the ME, it isnt gonna be a huge sum of money. I rekon the expert wud take more pride in coaching a player to success than he wud picking up the pennies.
Comments
n Response to What makes a total player?:
Totally agree with everything you've said, as ive just replied in the official thread ... How can this be finalised by a free forum vote, after all some posters are "here today gone tomorrow" people !!
A fee forum vote would be so unfair on the selected finalists ...Sky must make it clearer how this is to happen, and please god dont someone come on here and say..
"All will be revealed later"
glk to all who are in the mix so far ..
so what are you saying,
you agree with above post ?
what's the point in fooling these low stake players ,
saying they may have been picked ,
and that you were watching them .
The total player of course needs to be a good player, but we all know the game of poker isn’t only about cards, chips, raises and folds. - It’s played in the head. Therefore, the total player must be determined, be selfish, be successful, be willing to improve, and do everything they possibly can to better themselves, and most importantly, they must be a winner! Look at a Mcenroe (spellchek), a Schumacher (spellcheck), sir Alex Ferguson, Mourinho (spellcheck), Ali, Shane Warne - I’m sure u wud agree they r the best at what they do, and why? - Yes they’ve got talent, but they’ve worked hard to get to the top but most importantly - They’re winners and HATE to lose. The most important attribute in any field is to be a winner! People are born with talent, . How are these guys gonna feel sat next to world champions, what r they gonna do with their set of kings on the river when the 3 rd heart comes facing a check raise from Tom Dwan in Vegas in a $10k buy in tourny? Thits what you do with the talent that decides how far you go.
n Response to Re: What makes a total player?:
or players that need to improve ?
make up your mind please !
you cant have it both ways .
Wat does FWIW mean? -
I found it strange last night that the 2 'low stakes cash players' were shown playing 25/50p blinds and 50p/£1. Id class these as pretty steady/mid stakes - certainly the majority of tables on sky r lower stakes than these.
The spellin is shocking! I blame the spellchecker on microsoft word haha, - no need to learn to spell anymore! - EDIT - or even type properly!!
DOHH
There are things in your post that i agree with but others that i totally disagree with.
I put a post somewhere else on this subject and in it i said that if Sky only pick the higher staked players then it would lose credibility.
Personally i would love the opportunity to have a mentor, as im a solid player that has won online and live, BUT i don't play that much so will not get picked, NO PROBLEM.
You make a MASSIVE assumption that people playing lower stakes don't have the drive to improve and get forward.
In my defence, at the moment i don't have a lot of spare money to play with so i pick and choose my optimum time to play.
In the past i have played many top pros and held my own against them, so how would i react to playing the best in the world, bring it on.
I TOTALLY agree with you that when i saw the level of small stake picks were from 25/50, it was a bit of a shock. What message does this send out to those players at the 2/4 to 5/10 stakes.
Finally, i have a question to Sky. Is this taking the place of Viva LasVegas? So will this player be the only Sky Poker representative officially at the WSOP?
COL
Aup Mr Mbro,
I think sky saying that every single player is in with a chance is abit of a bluff. Sure they will probably look at all the games just incase, but I reckon its a forgone conclusion that a big hitter will hit the jackpot.
Its like the FA cup, when the first round draw is made, the bookies will give u a quote on Darlington or Grimsby to win it, coz of course technically they are in with a chance - but they aren't really in with a shot.
A good achievement for these teams is to make the 4th/5th round, before theyre inevitably gonna come up against someone stronger.
The best that the low stakes players, or shud I say, the best that us lower stakes players can probably hope for is to make the top 50 then hopefully make the top 10 for the weekly show. But given the choice of a lower stakes player like myself and others who have got to the show, or someone who has played the ME twice and cashed twice, as Will apparently has, its just a no brainer.
Like being given a £20 free bet on an FA cup final between man united and millwall - who you gonna back?
DOHH
I agree with you but i was a bit miffed off when you said that people playing low stakes dont have to drive and determination to succeed. I would love to be able to spend more time and money to have a "chance" in this comp, but i dont so if i dont get picked im not going to bleat about it.
My point was that, imo, i WOULD be an ideal candidate for this mentoring, apart from the amount of time i have got at the moment, as i fit the profile of a solid player how could learn to become a better player through this medium.
I think Will Brewin should have, already, been Sky's first sponsored player, but it will be intereseting to see the range of players in the coming weeks.
GL to you, hope you get another chance, to just miss out lol, only joking m8
col
Thank for that my friend, but i fear im not playing enough at the moment.
col
Great post mate and congrats on even making it into the top ten! Keep it up, I'm sure your time will come!
The one thing that really stood out for me was when you said "I feel sky have got it the wrong way round. I think the short list should be decided by the players, after all we’re playing against eachother all day every day!" If the forum could have nominated the players rather than sky picking from the top ten in the various categories each week, there would've been a better selection as I'm sure there are plenty of very good players (like mr mbro) who for one reason or another just don't make any of the "top tens"! Something to consider if Sky were to do this kind of promotion again!
Good luck, hope you get another chance to impress!
As I understand the aim is to pick the best players for the WSOP main event? Surely these should be slow structure deepstack MTT experts or players who have been consistent enough to move up the stakes at NLHE??
If I had to pick a horse to back to win the main event they would be selected from these pools, I would like to hear anyone who could rationally disagree?
Maybe the name is confusing as 'Total Player' would intimate skill at other games such as Razz, Stud and other variations - most of which are not on sky.
I think its a pretty cool idea and great for the people chosen, would never consider it myself as I dont play much NLHE anymore.
bottom four from premiership should also represent england in champions league?
Now, if they measured total profit as a ratio against total buyin you would have a serious chance of making the top 10. As they only split the cash players into low, medium and high stakes you have no chance if you are paying low stakes MTTs or STTs.
Now, if they measured total profit as a ratio against total buyin you would have a serious chance of making the top 10. As they only split the cash players into low, medium and high stakes you have no chance if you are paying low stakes MTTs or STTs.
Thoses high stakes players who are just rich and not very good would not be selected as their Hand Histories wouldn't stack up to show the quality
Hey Wattie,
I know what u mean about the hands that are shown, but honest it is hard! I was asked to find 5 hands to send in that I thought I had played well, and being a cash player, its hard to find hands which are show-offy, as most of cash is abc stuff. I imagine its the same for the tourny players, who are successful by stealing blinds, nickin small pots, being aggro in position etc etc. - Its hard to find 1 hand which shows off all their skills.
The skill I believe in cash is building an image, and then exploiting it. - cannot be done/shown in 1 hand.
Theres hands which play themselves, set over set etc, but these dnt really show off any skills.
Its hands where you flop a set, and get the top pair to pay you off, due to the loose/krazy image you have built up throughout the session. - Its really hard to portray this using 5 individual hands.
They look through all the hand histories though, not just the hands sent in, so they will have a good overall idea.
DOHH