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out right disrespect!

windamonwindamon
edited February 2014 in Poker Chat
i was in a heavy pot at the g in bpool (cash game) 9 handed when a guy utg min raised and everyone called round to me on the  button with AQ. i had case money so i jammed. blinds folded. initial raiser called the rest folded. he turned over QQ, standered call for his stack.my reason for this post is to get the forums reaction to what happened next and what they would have done.before the dealer dealt the flop he asked every ply if they had mucked a ace!verry direspectfull i thought. as it goes i caught a ace on the turn and my hand held up. i later caught up with this guy in the smoking pit, he did NOT return to the tables!is he right ethically to do this?
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  • GCDFGCDF
    edited February 2014
    Does it matter ?
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater
    edited February 2014
    Disrespectful is certainly the wrong word, but it's not something I've happened across before. I always find it odd when one poker players expects the truth from another at the table!
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    You open jammed AQ which is pretty terrible, you were totally crushed, and hut your out. The player didn't come back? Who can blame him? I've never heard of a dealer asking if anyone had folded a certain hand, why would they? If this is the case you simply could have said you weren't happy about it.
    Posted by LARSON7
    Sorry, I misread the original post.

    I thought the player asked if anyone had mucked an ace.

    It's a bit odd a dealer asking that, in all honesty. It obviously makes no difference, but still weird.
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  • DoubleAAADoubleAAA
    edited February 2014
    The way it's written it sounds as though the dealer asked but I think when he mentions 'he' he's actually referring to the guy who had QQ if anyone had folded the A which is nothing wrong with that.  If the dealer said it then that's a different story.
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  • mewillowsmewillows
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect! : Sorry, I misread the original post. I thought the player asked if anyone had mucked an ace. It's a bit odd a dealer asking that, in all honesty. It obviously makes no difference, but still weird.
    Posted by Slipwater
    actually it sounds like the player asked, not the dealer. No its not disrespectful asking if anyone had an ace.

    1. the rest of the table could lie

    2. it makes zero diffirence to the outcome anyway as the cards coming out are already in place.

    3. Larson where do you get off telling someone there play is terrible? From what i see i dont think you are in any situation to criticise anyone.  Be constructive, not a muppet. And he didnt open jam!!!

    Windamon why do you think he should return to the table after you have taken his money??  I dont get it.
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  • SlykllistSlykllist
    edited February 2014
    If you're involved in the pot you can say whatever you like.
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  • davelufcdavelufc
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    [QUOTE]If you're involved in the pot you can say whatever you like.
    Posted by Slykllist


    I too think it was the player who asked the question and not the dealer.

    What if you are not involved in the pot? Is it still ok to do this? ( about 1.08 ) link below.


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  • jordz16jordz16
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect! : actually it sounds like the player asked, not the dealer. No its not disrespectful asking if anyone had an ace. 1. the rest of the table could lie 2. it makes zero diffirence to the outcome anyway as the cards coming out are already in place. 3. Larson where do you get off telling someone there play is terrible? From what i see i dont think you are in any situation to criticise anyone.  Be constructive, not a muppet. And he didnt open jam!!! Windamon why do you think he should return to the table after you have taken his money??  I dont get it.
    Posted by mewillows

    +1 to all points
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  • bbMikebbMike
    edited February 2014
    Saw Joe Hachem do exactly this with the exact same hands last night on 100 greatest poker moments. Guy flops a flush draw and hits an Ace on the turn. Joe mumbles on about his bad luck then hits the one outer on the river.

    Wasn't Joe was it?
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  • LARSON7LARSON7
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect! : actually it sounds like the player asked, not the dealer. No its not disrespectful asking if anyone had an ace. 1. the rest of the table could lie 2. it makes zero diffirence to the outcome anyway as the cards coming out are already in place. 3. Larson where do you get off telling someone there play is terrible? From what i see i dont think you are in any situation to criticise anyone.  Be constructive, not a muppet. And he didnt open jam!!! Windamon why do you think he should return to the table after you have taken his money??  I dont get it.
    Posted by mewillows
    haha good on you if you think open jamming AQ over a table of limpers and a min raise is good play.

    You must be awesome.

    From what you see lol? You have never played me bud, so don't really think your in a position to comment on whether I can criticise someone or not.

    Edit Re the You must be awesome comment

    You do ok mate:P
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  • jordz16jordz16
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect! : haha good on you if you think open jamming AQ over a table of limpers and a min raise is good play. You must be awesome. You don't see you have never played against me.
    Posted by LARSON7

    1. Open Jamming, is when you jam from open. you cant open jam over the top.

    2. I imagine it was a very loose table as every player called, whos to say people hadn't been calling off lighter.

    3. he wasn't asking for you to critique his play, he just wanted to know if what happened was bad etiquette or not.

    4. get some class, seeing comments like that in forums is only going to put recreational players, off playing


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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH
    edited February 2014
    Need to know how many big blinds we have before we can assess the play!

    Looks a standard shoving spot with anything between 1 and 20ish bbs.

    We could have 300xbb though.
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  • 12671267
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect! : actually it sounds like the player asked, not the dealer. No its not disrespectful asking if anyone had an ace. 1. the rest of the table could lie 2. it makes zero diffirence to the outcome anyway as the cards coming out are already in place. 3. Larson where do you get off telling someone there play is terrible? From what i see i dont think you are in any situation to criticise anyone.  Be constructive, not a muppet. And he didnt open jam!!! Windamon why do you think he should return to the table after you have taken his money??  I dont get it.
    Posted by mewillows
    Massive +1 
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  • RyanC7RyanC7
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect! : actually it sounds like the player asked, not the dealer. No its not disrespectful asking if anyone had an ace. 1. the rest of the table could lie 2. it makes zero diffirence to the outcome anyway as the cards coming out are already in place. 3. Larson where do you get off telling someone there play is terrible? From what i see i dont think you are in any situation to criticise anyone.  Be constructive, not a muppet. And he didnt open jam!!! Windamon why do you think he should return to the table after you have taken his money??  I dont get it.
    Posted by mewillows
    Mahooosive +3

    Makes zero difference at all.  Would you be offended if he discussed what he consumed for breakfast last Thursday? 

    + vs min call call call call call, I'd prob be jamming this with 30BB or less in a live casino game
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect! : actually it sounds like the player asked, not the dealer. No its not disrespectful asking if anyone had an ace. 1. the rest of the table could lie 2. it makes zero diffirence to the outcome anyway as the cards coming out are already in place. 3. Larson where do you get off telling someone there play is terrible? From what i see i dont think you are in any situation to criticise anyone.  Be constructive, not a muppet. And he didnt open jam!!! Windamon why do you think he should return to the table after you have taken his money??  I dont get it.
    Posted by mewillows
    Gigantic +1 to all points.

    Gigantic.
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  • BigBlusterBigBluster
    edited February 2014
    I don't think the guy did anything wrong at all (but I often miscomprehend these posts because of alcohol consumption).

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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited February 2014
    did anyone fold an Ace?
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  • windamonwindamon
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect! : haha good on you if you think open jamming AQ over a table of limpers and a min raise is good play. You must be awesome. From what you see lol? You have never played me bud, so don't really think your in a position to comment on whether I can criticise someone or not. Edit Re the You must be awesome comment You do ok mate:P
    Posted by LARSON7
    never mentioned a min raise bud! i had case money slang in my land for (nearly skint). table full of limpers blinds yet to act so i shoved with what i would consider a premium hand on the button with 6 limpers. but my post was to ask the forum if the player was showing disrespect towards me not to analyse my play.when you shuv all your money in and you are behind waiting for the cards to be dealt you live in hope of catching a card thats part of the exitement, but if someone says "i folded the case 10" when you are waiting for a 1 outer i personally think its wrong and therefore i dont do it. as for the ply not comming back to the table i just gave him a piece of my mind and told him that in MY oppinion he was out of order. and will peeple pleeze not kritisize me grama iam triying me best to rite this academikalee corect.
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  • LARSON7LARSON7
    edited February 2014
    Hey mate, when you said it was a heavy pot, i thought you had shoved for loads lol

    I made a post which i deleted talking about the play. This was out of order mate, so my apologies.

    I agree with you that players who are not involved in the hand should not be discussing their cards while the hand is still live.

    Btw nice 1 binking your ace.

    I must just have lost KK versus AQ when i made my original post haha
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  • YOYOYYOYOY
    edited February 2014




    Everyone loves a happy ending! Nice one on the apology Larson.

    As for the disrepect issue. Well it's not something i'd do myself but have seen it quite a few times during live games and as someone has posted,it doesn't affect anything as it's a heads up situation.
    Wether you should be giving someone a piece of your mind about it is another thing entirely. I know you're feeling p-ssed cos you've done your dough but the guy hasn't done anything against the rules. In fact considering some of the things that go on in live and online games what the guy has done is quite tame. Still i guess it's one of those "you had to be there" scenarios.

    Good luck and run well mate.
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  • windamonwindamon
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    Hey mate, when you said it was a heavy pot, i thought you had shoved for loads lol I made a post which i deleted talking about the play. This was out of order mate, so my apologies. I agree with you that players who are not involved in the hand should not be discussing their cards while the hand is still live. Btw nice 1 binking your ace. I must just have lost KK versus AQ when i made my original post haha
    Posted by LARSON7
    thanks for your honesty my friend. may the card gods be with you.
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  • windamonwindamon
    edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: out right disrespect!:
    Everyone loves a happy ending! Nice one on the apology Larson. As for the disrepect issue. Well it's not something i'd do myself but have seen it quite a few times during live games and as someone has posted,it doesn't affect anything as it's a heads up situation. Wether you should be giving someone a piece of your mind about it is another thing entirely. I know you're feeling p-ssed cos you've done your dough but the guy hasn't done anything against the rules. In fact considering some of the things that go on in live and online games what the guy has done is quite tame. Still i guess it's one of those "you had to be there" scenarios. Good luck and run well mate.
    Posted by YOYOY
    thanks for your input my friend but i was not the loser as in "done my dough". i was p-ssed because of the obviose, obvyious, obvisouse . DAMM! read the postagain. lol
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  • 12671267
    edited February 2014

    Honestly can't see how you would even find him asking this disrespectful.
    If the guy wants to know, let him know (He can never know for sure)
    It has absolutely no effect on the outcome.

    If nobody asked anyone anything and 3 guys randomly shouted, 'here i folded an ace' , then ye there's no need for them to say anything, not involved in the hand.

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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited February 2014
    Gonna apologies to Mewillows as well Larson? ;)
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