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should i be doing a bigger cbet

edited February 2014 in Tournament Strategy
craigcu12 Small blind   15.00 15.00 2360.00
smartca627 Big blind   30.00 45.00 1132.50
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
x Call   30.00 75.00 3352.50
Dospair Fold        
gazza127 Fold        
memfno Fold        
craigcu12 Raise   105.00 180.00 2255.00
smartca627 Call   90.00 270.00 1042.50
x Call   90.00 360.00 3262.50
Flop
   
  • 9
  • K
  • 8
     
craigcu12 Bet   120.00 480.00 2135.00
smartca627 Call   120.00 600.00 922.50
x Raise   360.00 960.00 2902.50
craigcu12 Call   240.00 1200.00 1895.00
smartca627 Fold        
Turn
   
  • A
     
craigcu12 Check        
x Check        
River
   
  • 2
     
craigcu12 Bet   900.00 2100.00 995.00
x Call   900.00 3000.00 2002.50
craigcu12

Comments

  • edited February 2014
    Yes.  I'm Cbetting about 275 there with 2 behind depending on my table image.  Depending on my oppo I'm also coming over the top of them when they reraise us.  Only time I wouldn't is if I know they are an aggro nutter and would do the same to us when we lead out on the turn.  I would also lead the turn as there are loads of draws out there now that can pay us off
  • edited February 2014
    Definitely.

    You should read that post I wrote about bet sizing :)

    This flop contains quite a few of the factors mentioned in there which are reasons to go bigger.

    1) we're multi way
    2) it's very wet
    3) We can assume this flop absolutely smashes the ranges of the preflop peelers.
    4) One of them has limped so we can assume they are
          a) bad
          b) passive
          c) probably loose

    All good reasons to just go really big for value. I agree with Cenachav that I'm going around 275 ish and I'm 3betting the flop once we get raised.

    You missed out on a full double here. If somehow he has a hand that would have busted you, so be it.
  • edited February 2014
    im c betting bigger, im also never checking the turn either, i know hes showed aggression by raising the flop and ur thinking he'll probably continue betting but a decent player will do this with draws and then at times take a free one so im bashing the turn and bombing the river all day long.
  • edited February 2014
    could it be that i'm not thinking in the right manner.

    when i do the cbets now i normally think of keeping my betting blanced with various hand strengths.

    when the board is wet does the size of a cbet vary depending on my hand strength and the amount of danger cards.
  • edited February 2014
    In Response to Re: should i be doing a bigger cbet:
    could it be that i'm not thinking in the right manner. when i do the cbets now i normally think of keeping my betting blanced with various hand strengths. when the board is wet does the size of a cbet vary depending on my hand strength and the amount of danger cards.
    Posted by craigcu12
    you have made top set here, on a wet board, i bet around 2/3 - 3/4 of the pot here not only to build a pot but to charge my opponent more is if hes drawing, now if it came k82 rainbow i would be more inclined to bet around half the pot becuase i want to keep his 99, 1010 type hands still in, this dosent mean my range is unbalanced by doing this. its only unbalanced if ur betting different amounts with made hands to ur bluff hands etc.
  • edited February 2014
    craig dont worry too much about balance, just try to make money.

    you only turn your hand face-up if you vary your bet sizes based only on your actual hand strength. if you vary it on things like board texture. number of players left in the hand, position etc then no-one can glean any info as this information is available to everyone.

    he there are mulitlple player involved on a wet board. bets will be bigger here anyway. no-ones bluffing half pot / third pot here, so you'd be going bigger with: monsters, draws, bluffs, made but vulnerable hands.

    bet big, you're not giving much info away by doing so.

    also you want value before the turn. if a scare card does come then it beats our hand or just as damagingly, kills our action. try to get it in sooner rather than later whilsts people's equities are juicey enough and the board safe enough for them to do so.
  • edited February 2014
    after the thoughts you had about my play with that set i've tried to put more thought into it and it seems to have worked

    with this hand i decided to do make my bet over 1/2 pot then went much harder on the turn and didn't hand about with this set, he did say he was expecting me to have QQ or 1010, what i will start to remember is expecting hands like this to fold is like expecting KK to fold preflop.
    gruntex Small blind   10.00 10.00 4625.00
    jjjach Big blind   20.00 30.00 4750.00
      Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 10
         
    steelrod Fold        
    Sngwizkid Fold        
    wolfy7 Fold        
    cowhead Fold        
    craigcu12 Raise   60.00 90.00 5360.00
    MOBIUSaa Fold        
    monkeylest Call   60.00 150.00 4900.00
    xxrhinox07 Fold        
    gruntex Fold        
    jjjach Call   40.00 190.00 4710.00
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • Q
    • 2
         
    jjjach Check        
    craigcu12 Bet   120.00 310.00 5240.00
    monkeylest Fold        
    jjjach Call   120.00 430.00 4590.00
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    jjjach Check        
    craigcu12 Bet   300.00 730.00 4940.00
    jjjach Raise   815.00 1545.00 3775.00
    craigcu12 Raise   1630.00 3175.00 3310.00
    jjjach All-in   3775.00 6950.00 0.00
    craigcu12 Call   2660.00 9610.00 650.00
    jjjach Show
    • 2
    • 2
         
    craigcu12 Show
    • 10
    • 10
         
    River
       
    • K
         
    this was how i play an overpair on a wet board
    xxrhinox07 Small blind   10.00 10.00 4990.00
    gruntex Big blind   20.00 30.00 4980.00
    monkeylest Sit out        
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    jjjach Fold        
    steelrod Fold        
    FlyingDagg Fold        
    joe759017 Fold        
    cowhead Fold        
    craigcu12 Raise   60.00 90.00 4940.00
    MOBIUSaa Call   60.00 150.00 4940.00
    xxrhinox07 Fold        
    gruntex Call   40.00 190.00 4940.00
    Flop
       
    • J
    • Q
    • 6
         
    gruntex Check        
    craigcu12 Bet   140.00 330.00 4800.00
    MOBIUSaa Call   140.00 470.00 4800.00
    gruntex Fold        
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    craigcu12 Bet   350.00 820.00 4450.00
    MOBIUSaa Fold        
    craigcu12 Muck        
    craigcu12 Win   470.00   4920.00
    craigcu12 Return   350.00 0.00 5270.0
    the thinking now is that with wet boards the hands i would use to make a more balanced range is the semi bluffs.
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