Thoughts on this hand, what would you raise the river?

LARSON7

Dont understand why you checked the turn tbh.  You just went ahead of a lot of hands you can get value from, including a lot of his draws and made hands like J10 or 108 etc.  Do you really think he's checking straights and sets here?

River overbet shove?  Dont see the value in it unless villain is incapable of folding mediocre hands.

As played I'd raise to around £9 or something.  More or less depending on which villain im playing and whether or not they are likely to pay me off.

LARSON7

LARSON7	Big blind		3000.00	4500.00	142140.00
	Your hole cards	7 A
strube	All-in		77360.00	81860.00	0.00
LARSON7	Call		75860.00	157720.00	66280.00
strube	Show	A 8
LARSON7	Show	7 A

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shubling	Small blind		1000.00	1000.00	36592.50
LARSON7	Big blind		2000.00	3000.00	55055.00
	Your hole cards	9 6
ACA	Fold
COLEY1	Fold
strube	Fold
greg1974	Fold
shubling	Raise		3000.00	6000.00	33592.50
LARSON7	Call		2000.00	8000.00	53055.00
Flop
		10 7 3
shubling	Bet		4000.00	12000.00	29592.50
LARSON7	Call		4000.00	16000.00	49055.00
Turn
		7
shubling	Check
LARSON7	Check
River
		Q
shubling	Bet		4000.00	20000.00	25592.50
LARSON7	Raise		14000.00	34000.00	35055.00
shubling	Call		10000.00	44000.00	15592.50
LARSON7	Show	9 6
shubling	Show	6 7
shubling	Win	Three 7s	44000

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shubling	Small blind		800.00	800.00	31192.50
LARSON7	Big blind		1600.00	2400.00	67455.00
	Your hole cards	7 7
ACA	Fold
COLEY1	Fold
strube	Call		1600.00	4000.00	40345.00
greg1974	Fold
shubling	Call		800.00	4800.00	30392.50
LARSON7	Check
Flop
		4 5 2
shubling	Bet		3200.00	8000.00	27192.50
LARSON7	Call		3200.00	11200.00	64255.00
strube	Fold
Turn
		3
shubling	Bet		3200.00	14400.00	23992.50
LARSON7	Call		3200.00	17600.00	61055.00
River
		10
shubling	Check
LARSON7	Check
shubling	Show	A 2
LARSON7	Muck	7 7
shubling	Win	Straight to the 5

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mickjenn1	Small blind		300.00	300.00	12998.00
zenpoker31	Big blind		600.00	900.00	1280.00
	Your hole cards	J A
jinder	Fold
alfarch30	All-in		6312.00	7212.00	0.00
LARSON7	All-in		17770.00	24982.00	0.00
mickjenn1	Fold
zenpoker31	Fold
LARSON7	Unmatched bet		11458.00	13524.00	11458.00
alfarch30	Show	10 Q
LARSON7	Show	J A
Flop
		7 6 8
Turn
		10
River
		5
alfarch30	Win	Pair of 10s

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LARSON7	Small blind		1500.00	1500.00	125060.00
strube	Big blind		3000.00	4500.00	94440.00
	Your hole cards	8 J
LARSON7	Raise		4500.00	9000.00	120560.00
strube	All-in		94440.00	103440.00	0.00
LARSON7	Fold

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LARSON7	Small blind		1500.00	1500.00	72280.00
strube	Big blind		3000.00	4500.00	147220.00
	Your hole cards	Q 6
LARSON7	Raise		4500.00	9000.00	67780.00
strube	Call		3000.00	12000.00	144220.00
Flop
		J 5 6
strube	All-in		144220.00	156220.00	0.00
LARSON7	Fold
strube	Muck
strube	Win		12000

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strube	Small blind		1250.00	1250.00	21430.00
greg1974	Big blind		2500.00	3750.00	35995.00
	Your hole cards	Q 10
LARSON7	Raise		5000.00	8750.00	54805.00
ACA	Fold
strube	All-in		21430.00	30180.00	0.00
greg1974	Fold
LARSON7	Fold

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LARSON7	Small blind		600.00	600.00	54655.00
ACA	Big blind		1200.00	1800.00	31382.50
shubling	Sit out
	Your hole cards	3 5
COLEY1	Fold
strube	Fold
greg1974	Fold
LARSON7	Raise		1800.00	3600.00	52855.00
ACA	Call		1200.00	4800.00	30182.50
Flop
		9 2 9
LARSON7	Bet		2400.00	7200.00	50455.00
ACA	Call		2400.00	9600.00	27782.50
Turn
		A
LARSON7	Check
ACA	Check
River
		9
LARSON7	Check
ACA	Bet		8400.00	18000.00	19382.50
LARSON7	Fold

KAM99

Got to say I can't wait to see villians hand on this one, as his line has me rather confused as to what the heck he has. Can't see him checking a set on turn as only had that has got there is AQ as Q9 was already there. Does he check 2pair? Maybe, but for same reason I can't see why he would. Most times I would bet teh turn having improved to TTP, butI'm stil a little confused by a min-r flop followed by a check.

It's conpounded as played when he leads out again on river when another king lands. I have to assume he has a fullhouse here or at the very least the straight or this whole line is baffling, at least to me. If it is a fullhouse his check at turn is odd, as is if he had straight.

I'm going to say a weird line with 88 and give a hefty raise as suggested above, and maybe in some cases shove if I think he is loose enough to make bad calls. Calling any raise would be tough unless he has a great hand, but hey got to be done and hope.

hhyftrftdr

If we'd bet the turn, then the pot would be big enough to ship over any river lead from villain.

LARSON7

strube	Small blind		1500.00	1500.00	68360.00
greg1974	Big blind		3000.00	4500.00	20995.00
	Your hole cards	9 A
LARSON7	Raise		6000.00	10500.00	61555.00
ACA	Fold
strube	Fold
greg1974	Fold
LARSON7	Muck
LARSON7	Win

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LARSON7	Small blind		1250.00	1250.00	49805.00
ACA	Big blind		2500.00	3750.00	64010.00
	Your hole cards	K K
COLEY1	Fold
strube	Fold
greg1974	Call		2500.00	6250.00	25605.00
LARSON7	Raise		8750.00	15000.00	41055.00
ACA	Fold
greg1974	Fold
LARSON7	Muck

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alfarch30	Small blind		500.00	500.00	6742.00
LARSON7	Big blind		1000.00	1500.00	27653.00
	Your hole cards	10 A
shubling	Call		1000.00	2500.00	18677.50
zenpoker31	Fold
KAM_E_RA	Fold
alfarch30	Call		500.00	3000.00	6242.00
LARSON7	Raise		3000.00	6000.00	24653.00
shubling	Call		3000.00	9000.00	15677.50
alfarch30	Fold
Flop
		Q 3 8
LARSON7	Check
shubling	Check
Turn
		5
LARSON7	Check
shubling	Check
River
		7
LARSON7	Check
shubling	Check
LARSON7	Show	10 A
shubling	Muck	10 K
LARSON7	Win	Ace high

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jinder	Small blind		295.00	295.00	0.00
KAM_E_RA	Big blind		800.00	1095.00	15750.00
	Your hole cards	3 A
alfarch30	Fold
LARSON7	Raise		1600.00	2695.00	12258.00
mickjenn1	Fold
zenpoker31	Fold
KAM_E_RA	Call		800.00	3495.00	14950.00
Flop
		A 4 Q
KAM_E_RA	Check
LARSON7	Bet		1600.00	5095.00	10658.00
KAM_E_RA	Call		1600.00	6695.00	13350.00
Turn
		J
KAM_E_RA	Check
LARSON7	Check
River
		9
KAM_E_RA	Check
LARSON7	Bet		2400.00	9095.00	8258.00
KAM_E_RA	Call		2400.00	11495.00	10950.00
LARSON7	Show	3 A
jinder	Muck	7 J
KAM_E_RA	Muck	Q 10
LARSON7	Win	Pair of Aces	11495

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LARSON7	Small blind		1500.00	1500.00	69280.00
strube	Big blind		3000.00	4500.00	150220.00
	Your hole cards	10 7
LARSON7	Raise		4500.00	9000.00	64780.00
strube	Call		3000.00	12000.00	147220.00
Flop
		J 9 A
strube	Check
LARSON7	Bet		6000.00	18000.00	58780.00
strube	Fold
LARSON7	Muck
LARSON7	Win		12000.00		70780.00
LARSON7	Return		6000.

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shubling	Small blind		1000.00	1000.00	44592.50
LARSON7	Big blind		2000.00	3000.00	35055.00
	Your hole cards	10 9
ACA	Fold
COLEY1	Fold
strube	Fold
greg1974	Call		2000.00	5000.00	31105.00
shubling	Call		1000.00	6000.00	43592.50
LARSON7	Check
Flop
		8 J Q
shubling	Bet		2000.00	8000.00	41592.50
LARSON7	Raise		12000.00	20000.00	23055.00
greg1974	Fold
shubling	Fold
LARSON7	Muck

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ACA	Small blind		1250.00	1250.00	103020.00
strube	Big blind		2500.00	3750.00	25180.00
	Your hole cards	3 4
greg1974	Fold
LARSON7	Raise		5000.00	8750.00	48555.00
ACA	Fold
strube	Call		2500.00	11250.00	22680.00
Flop
		2 9 A
strube	Check
LARSON7	Bet		4321.00	15571.00	44234.00
strube	Fold

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Lambert180

I'm definitely betting turn for value, can get called by so many worse hands, and there are so few better hands (I struggle to think of any) that would check the turn after raising the flop, you also just give a free card to all is draws.

Agree with Gazza that as played I prob raise to about £9

craigcu12

when he has chosen to check the turn it does appear strange, the hand range i would be thinking he has got on the turn is AJ  and decided to check as AK KQ AQ and Kj have all now gone ahead or he himself had a straight and was playing it like a Ch/raise, i would have gone for a bet of about £2.50 then fold if he raised it.

As for the action on the river as it has been played, you get the feeling he is  highly likely to fold his AJ if you were to make the raise, the likelyhood is your just going to be called by AQ sets or trips, you yourself could just as easily be holding KQ or AK for all he knows so the chances are he will call his straight.

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Thoughts on this hand, what would you raise the river?:

when he has chosen to check the turn it does appear strange, the hand range i would be thinking he has got on the turn is AJ  and decided to check as AK KQ AQ and Kj have all now gone ahead or he himself had a straight and was playing it like a Ch/raise, i would have gone for a bet of about £2.50 then fold if he raised it. As for the action on the river as it has been played, you get the feeling he is  highly likely to fold his AJ if you were to make the raise, the likelyhood is your just going to be called by AQ sets or trips, you yourself could just as easily be holding KQ or AK for all he knows so the chances are he will call his straight.
Posted by craigcu12

That's good cos we've got the stone nuts