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thoughts on these heavy losses
this isn't me being results orientated, all i'm doing is wanting to make sure i keep my mistake to a minimum
when their is 4 other people in this pot and because of how wet it was i didn't expect a hand like AK to be making a cbet, so what i thought was with the turn now giving me draws and because of the board being well connected i might be able to steal the pot away from hands like AA AQ.
Q. was i OK to raise the turn i should i have flat called?
this one i'm just clueless as to why he raised to a river card like this.
Q. was my bet size on the river a good size value bet?
when their is 4 other people in this pot and because of how wet it was i didn't expect a hand like AK to be making a cbet, so what i thought was with the turn now giving me draws and because of the board being well connected i might be able to steal the pot away from hands like AA AQ.
Q. was i OK to raise the turn i should i have flat called?
| UP | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £42.59 | |
| Donttelmum | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £81.09 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| gama | Call | £0.20 | £0.50 | £60.02 | |
| wilo66 | Raise | £1.00 | £1.50 | £38.60 | |
| craigcu12 | Call | £1.00 | £2.50 | £37.68 | |
| Diminuendo | Call | £1.00 | £3.50 | £38.90 | |
| UP | Fold | ||||
| Donttelmum | Call | £0.80 | £4.30 | £80.29 | |
| gama | Call | £0.80 | £5.10 | £59.22 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| Donttelmum | Check | ||||
| gama | Check | ||||
| wilo66 | Bet | £3.83 | £8.93 | £34.77 | |
| craigcu12 | Call | £3.83 | £12.76 | £33.85 | |
| Diminuendo | Fold | ||||
| Donttelmum | Fold | ||||
| gama | Call | £3.83 | £16.59 | £55.39 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| gama | Check | ||||
| wilo66 | Bet | £8.30 | £24.89 | £26.47 | |
| craigcu12 | Raise | £19.00 | £43.89 | £14.85 | |
| gama | Fold | ||||
| wilo66 | All-in | £26.47 | £70.36 | £0.00 | |
| craigcu12 | All-in | £14.85 | £85.21 | £0.00 | |
| wilo66 | Unmatched bet | £0.92 | £84.29 | £0.92 | |
| wilo66 | Show |
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| craigcu12 | Show |
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| River | |||||
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| wilo66 | |||||
Q. was my bet size on the river a good size value bet?
| Jonno02 | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £58.25 | |
| Donttelmum | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £31.45 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| Diminuendo | Raise | £0.60 | £0.90 | £92.30 | |
| craigcu12 | Raise | £1.80 | £2.70 | £42.32 | |
| Triumph62 | Fold | ||||
| Die_hard | Fold | ||||
| Jonno02 | Call | £1.70 | £4.40 | £56.55 | |
| Donttelmum | Call | £1.60 | £6.00 | £29.85 | |
| Diminuendo | Call | £1.20 | £7.20 | £91.10 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| Jonno02 | Check | ||||
| Donttelmum | Check | ||||
| Diminuendo | Check | ||||
| craigcu12 | Bet | £3.00 | £10.20 | £39.32 | |
| Jonno02 | Call | £3.00 | £13.20 | £53.55 | |
| Donttelmum | Fold | ||||
| Diminuendo | Fold | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| Jonno02 | Check | ||||
| craigcu12 | Bet | £8.00 | £21.20 | £31.32 | |
| Jonno02 | Call | £8.00 | £29.20 | £45.55 | |
| River | |||||
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| Jonno02 | Check | ||||
| craigcu12 | Bet | £10.00 | £39.20 | £21.32 | |
| Jonno02 | All-in | £45.55 | £84.75 | £0.00 | |
| craigcu12 | Fold | ||||
| Jonno02 | Muck | ||||
| Jonno02 | Win | £47.40 | £47.40 | ||
| Jonno02 | Return | £35.55 | £1.80 | £82.95 | |
Comments
Second hand. Two options. He had something like AK and maybe has you down as an aggresive person that will give him 3 streets very often and on that basis saves his raise till then. Second choice is that he was on the flush draw and saw your thin value bet as a chance to bluff you off the pot with a shove, knowing it is the only way he wins the pot.
Think I'd depend on notes a little on how I'd play taht second hand. If this guy is a good player I'm checking behind on river. Why? Because I can't see them calling with A10 or AJ to a 3bet with initial raiser to act again after them preflop. Likewise the flush draw seems unlikely due to them having ot have called preflop with QJ suited or worse for this to be possible, and so I think less of a likely hand to the action given his postion. Again this is player based though, as some players will call with this kind of weak hand OOP to that kind of action.
Thier line is werid, UNLESS they know you are aggresive enough to bet 3 streets consistantly with top pair and they will feel that is your likely hand. Iin that case they may well check to you on river rather than giving away their hand strength by leading out on river. I do this VERY often at the tables if I have an aggresive opponant. I know if I lead out then good chance they fold and I get nothing extra. If I check and they check behind, oh well. But often the aggresive players will value bet it and I can raise then.. Really depends on player, and you need to study players and note take more maybe? Sounds like this is a regular player. Given board if I saw anything other than AK or 66 I'd be a bit surprised, but it is possible it was a blufff, but less likely I think given board. Sky has VERY small player base, and you should have detailed notes on regs.
Hand 1; I think it's a fold on the turn - we only have top pair good kicker. Villians firing the 2nd bullett, when 2 people have called the flop raise. Say he misses his gutshot on the turn, he's most likely going to slow down. He's shown massive strength here. I'd just bin it here.
Hand 2; in my opinion, i think it's a check behind, the pot is a good size. It's hard for worse to call like Ace 10, Ace Jack. I don't really know the opponent, but it is a nice spot to bluff. Like Kam said it could be a busted flush draw.
I don't really understand oppo's line, if he has a big hand say AK, why he would play it this way OOP (why would he not raise the turn/ value bet on the river. It does look a bit bluffy, maybe he has seen your river bet has seen weakness and knows you can't with stand much pressure.
It's a tough one, it looks bluffy, think i might call here, would obviously depend on the opponent, their tendencies but looks bluffy. Maybe you could request it on the TV to see what they had.
He was limping pre alot of the time and only raising with big hands then only firing 1 bullet and shutting down on turn when weak and in a previous hand had shut down turn with t/p good kicker so on those reads alone you are NEVER in good shape here.
In hand 2 i was also at table and have played v your oppo alot of times and at much higher stakes than this and i dont think he would mind me saying that he does take strange lines at times with his big hands which does confuse alot of players into making calls. Imo you are crushed here mate and i would be betting everything i had on him having either AK or 66 and never showing up with a missed flush draw. Would be good for you to request the hand for thursdays show (even though it will prob show what carp i am raising with utg
is it these villians where i can get the best of value with the suited connectors although i didn't notice this villians action much their was one villian that i was managing to read well and was managing to pull some good bluffs. she said once the fold was done that she had 88
Astounded !
A bluff? lol
he already is beating the bluffs and their is only really AQ that might fold but what will not fold is AK AA and KK which he did not seem to take into account.
If he is the loose player he is not going to call a large bet with his weak pairs and will fold the flush now that it has missed and if he did have a set he would already have made the jam before the river because when they see an A and K so expect calls for sure.
If it was not the loose type then really it's only ever likely to be TPWK or he was trapping with his set.
Only reason I can think of why he shoved river is him possibly reading your 1/3 pot bet as thin value meaning his TPTK is good. Its kind of player/read dependant but a lot of the time I'd probably expect AK or better to be looking to get all the money in, betting slightly bigger on turn and shoving river.