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Is this cheating?

SogsySar22SogsySar22
edited March 2014 in Poker Chat
So im in a 6 seat double your money.. One guys sits there doesn't even play a hand trying to be smart waiting for an easy cash i guess?

Anyways 4/6 left and im puhed all in by this guy and one other guy is in the pot so i say in chat call!!!

Obviously if we both call theres more chance one of us would win... Okay this may not seem nice but that isnt cheating?

I do not know the other person in the pot or anyone else on the table so how can me simply saying call be classed as cheating?

This alex guy says thats cheating and he is reporting me on the forum.

Alex you need to play some hands and then maybe you will gain some respect on the table!
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573
    edited March 2014
     you are colluding with another player to give yourself a better chance of winning so yes its downright cheating!!!
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  • SogsySar22SogsySar22
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
     you are colluding with another player to give yourself a better chance of winning so yes its downright cheating!!!
    Posted by THEROCK573
    How am i colluding though im just saying call... The guy didnt even call anyways so no it's not colluding.
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  • SogsySar22SogsySar22
    edited March 2014
    I guess if he had called it could be considered so but the fact is he didn't call.

    I think it's best to not say call ever again though so i will keep that in mind.
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  • hhyftrftdrhhyftrftdr
    edited March 2014
    Collusion.
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  • splashiessplashies
    edited March 2014
    Yep you're in the wrong sogsy
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  • SogsySar22SogsySar22
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    Yep you're in the wrong sogsy
    Posted by splashies
    I can see now see that if the other play had called i would be in the wrong. ( But remember he didnt call )

    Thanks for the advice on this one guys i will make sure i do not tell anyone to call in future as it is frowned upon.
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  • THEROCK573THEROCK573
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating? : How am i colluding though im just saying call... The guy didnt even call anyways so no it's not colluding.
    Posted by SogsySar22
    i would suggest you look up the definition of colluding if you feel you arnt doing exactly that, you are telling another player to call for personal gain as its 2 v 1 and you have better chance of busting him. dosent matter whether he called or not you still said it and he is well with in his rights to report you to customer care, you made a mistake and didnt realise what you were doing so as long as you dont repeat it then its all good in the hood. gl at the tables!!!
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  • DESERTTURKDESERTTURK
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating? : How am i colluding though im just saying call... The guy didnt even call anyways so no it's not colluding.
    Posted by SogsySar22
    after u made ur decision u should not intice another player to call its just wrong in everyway
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  • liamboi11liamboi11
    edited March 2014
    it was an attempt of collusion even though he didn`t call still does not make it right

    +1 to other posts stated above


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  • imberimber
    edited March 2014
    yep - definitely collusion or an attempt - would you shout "call" if you were playing live??? thought not.
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  • chicknMeltchicknMelt
    edited March 2014
    Hi soggy

    Basically you should never do anything that could influence someone's decision at the poker table- it will at least be frowned upon, or may just be plain against the rules. 

    Obviously asking someone to call could be seen as trying to influence them to call.

    It looks like you honestly didn't consider this to be wrong and will probably not do it again. We all learned it at some point.

    In reality, you probably have very little, if any influence on someone else's decision... But that's not the point. Say the player did call with some kind of raggy hand and won - you may end up trying to prove that you weren't colluding and in a bit of a sticky situation. Best just to avoid the whole situation in the first place and keep the game as honest and fair as possible.

    Gl at the tables, and kudos for accepting you might have been in the wrong without getting ugly.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    yep - definitely collusion or an attempt - would you shout "call" if you were playing live??? thought n ot.
    Posted by imber
    Ha!

    What a great reply, Imber.

    Imagine doing it in a "live" game, at a casino, & the all-in fella was realllllllly big & ugly.

    You'd be even money to be on the wrong end of a slap round the chops.

    Worth noting, though, that the OP was not intentionally cheating or colluding - they just did not know the rules. Which, to be fair, is a bit different.      
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  • alex1229alex1229
    edited March 2014
    This Alex guy was me and no i wasnt happy, of course its blatant cheating

    but if thats what you gotta do to win a £5 dym then well done
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  • Sky_PokerSky_Poker
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating? : Ha! What a great reply, Imber. Imagine doing it in a "live" game, at a casino, & the all-in fella was realllllllly big & ugly. You'd be even money to be on the wrong end of a slap round the chops. Worth noting, though, that the OP was not intentionally cheating or colluding - they just did not know the rules. Which, to be fair, is a bit different.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    Very true.

    Something like this isn't immediately obvious to people so helping them understand these things is good. There was a time when all of us had to learn about these things.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    This Alex guy was me and no i wasnt happy, of course its blatant cheating but if thats what you gotta do to win a £5 dym then well done
    Posted by alex1229
    And I can perfectly understand your angst, Alex, but it's clear from reading the thread, this was not cheating or collusion as such, it was just ignorance of the rules. The OP has acknowledged this.
     
    I've played Online Poker since the first ever Online Poker site was started, back in 1998 I think. I have played on, & had or have Accounts with, every half-decent Online Poker site out there. And in all those years, & on all those sites - including Sky Poker - I don't think I've never seen a written rule, or T & C, which explicitly says YOU MUST NOT DO THAT.
     
    What happens is that we learn, as we go along. And this is what I think went off here. It was a genuine error - the OP never realised that it amounted to collusion, &/or that collusion is cheating.  But they do now, & maybe others have realised, too. 

    We all had to learn.  
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  • SlipwaterSlipwater
    edited March 2014
    Ignorance is rarely a valid defence, but in this instance we should let it slide.
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  • alex1229alex1229
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating? : And I can perfectly understand your angst, Alex, but it's clear from reading the thread, this was not cheating or collusion as such, it was just ignorance of the rules. The OP has acknowledged this.   I've played Online Poker since the first ever Online Poker site was started, back in 1998 I think. I have played on, & had or have Accounts with, every half-decent Online Poker site out there. And in all those years, & on all those sites - including Sky Poker - I don't think I've never seen a written rule, or T & C, which explicitly says YOU MUST NOT DO THAT.   What happens is that we learn, as we go along. And this is what I think went off here. It was a genuine error - the OP never realised that it amounted to collusion, &/or that collusion is cheating.  But they do now, & maybe others have realised, too.  We all had to learn.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    No thats fine i understand, was frustrating at the time, but once the game finished im over it, move on no biggie, im sure hes learned now
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2014


    Nice one Alex, thanks.
     
    We've all had it done to us, & especially in DYM's on the bubble when someone types "just call & check it down lads".
     
    It's pretty annoying, yes.

    There's just a huge difference between those who know it's wrong, but still do it, & those who are simply not aware.
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  • robertodrobertod
    edited March 2014
    im in a saterlite at a live venue. top 2 go into the main event and theres 4 left. im allin on the button with junk. the small blind asked the big blind" are you gonna call?" the big blind says "no." small blind says " ok i call." the big blind then says "well im priced in now" and calls. much checking later and my junk gets there. the small blind then accuses the big blind of cheating and tries to get him thrown out for it. the big blind accuses the small blind of collusion and wants him disqualified. i  wet myself laughing and qualify. so it can happen in a live game. rookie mistake yes. cheating no.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    im in a saterlite at a live venue. top 2 go into the main event and theres 4 left. im allin on the button with junk. the small blind asked the big blind" are you gonna call?" the big blind says "no." small blind says " ok i call." the big blind then says "well im priced in now" and calls. much checking later and my junk gets there. the small blind then accuses the big blind of cheating and tries to get him thrown out for it. the big blind accuses the small blind of collusion and wants him disqualified. i  wet myself laughing and qualify. so it can happen in a live game. rookie mistake yes. cheating no.
    Posted by robertod
     These are the times in life when you say "i wish i was there".
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  • bludreid11bludreid11
    edited March 2014

    in DYMs many players seem to want to be first, others just want to cash.
    some players have no idea that 123 all get the same.
    when someone has either sat out or lost their connection,it is fair to steal their blinds.
    now no chat should EVER pass between players, but if seasoned players see someone sat out and has only a few chips left, it makes sense to flat call then check it down. Is this cheating or colluding ? i think not.
    as long as NO CHAT HAS PASSED BETWEEN PLAYERS.
    DYMs are strange games anyway, some of the worst play ever happens at these tables, i was in 2 £5.50
    DYMs last night and in both games the chip leader went out, simply because they wanted to play and bled chips all over the place.
    So carry on taking chips as and where you can, BUT NEVER USE THE CHAT BOX,
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  • bludreid11bludreid11
    edited March 2014
    Heres one for tikay to answer.
    £5.50 DYM, 4 players left, chip leader has a massive chip lead, the short stack has sat out.
    every time the short stack was on the b/b he folded and let him get the blinds.
    as i was 2nd short stack this was putting real pressure on me.
    he said in the chat box that he thought this was hillarious, and that he would let the guy who was away win.
    Now is that collusion ?
    or just some stupid drunken idiot having fun ??
    thats when i stopped playing DYMs
    i have started playing again just for the DYM challenge, as of now im 2 for 2
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  • bolly580bolly580
    edited March 2014
    Why have you posted on the forum asking for opinions if your just going to dismiss them anyway?


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  • samantha25samantha25
    edited March 2014
    I had a similar thing last night when the site went down, (only playing dym's for chall)

    There was 5 left and 2 aways, the 2 aways were shorter stacked than the 3 seated players.

    1 player said, I'm not doing anything silly here guys... none of us replied to that but knew the drill of what was being implied. I didn't get any hands TBH yet I did chuck in the odd raise on the seated players early on and saw they were just folding to the cash so lost interest in the game.

    There was simply zero point in me playing against away players, altho right at the end I did say that I hoped the away players contacted CC re this as it obviously isn't fair.

    He didn't say call/fold but just not to be silly.... Would you still class this as cheating or merely being sensible?
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    in DYMs many players seem to want to be first, others just want to cash. some players have no idea that 123 all get the same. when someone has either sat out or lost their connection,it is fair to steal their blinds. now no chat should EVER pass between players, but if seasoned players see someone sat out and has only a few chips left, it makes sense to flat call then check it down. Is this cheating or colluding ? i think not. as long as NO CHAT HAS PASSED BETWEEN PLAYERS. DYMs are strange games anyway, some of the worst play ever happens at these tables, i was in 2 £5.50 DYMs last night and in both games the chip leader went out, simply because they wanted to play and bled chips all over the place. So carry on taking chips as and where you can, BUT NEVER USE THE CHAT BOX,
    Posted by bludreid11
    Agree completely.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    Heres one for tikay to answer. £5.50 DYM, 4 players left, chip leader has a massive chip lead, the short stack has sat out. every time the short stack was on the b/b he folded and let him get the blinds. as i was 2nd short stack this was putting real pressure on me. he said in the chat box that he thought this was hillarious, and that he would let the guy who was away win. Now is that collusion ? or just some stupid drunken idiot having fun ?? thats when i stopped playing DYMs i have started playing again just for the DYM challenge, as of now im 2 for 2
    Posted by bludreid11
    DISagree completely. So you & me are 1-1. ;)

    Not collusion, & I doubt he was drunk - it is Level 3 thinking, & good thinking at that.
     
    See this thread, HERE
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    I had a similar thing last night when the site went down, (only playing dym's for chall) There was 5 left and 2 aways, the 2 aways were shorter stacked than the 3 seated players. 1 player said, I'm not doing anything silly here guys... none of us replied to that but knew the drill of what was being implied. I didn't get any hands TBH yet I did chuck in the odd raise on the seated players early on and saw they were just folding to the cash so lost interest in the game. There was simply zero point in me playing against away players, altho right at the end I did say that I hoped the away players contacted CC re this as it obviously isn't fair. He didn't say call/fold but just not to be silly.... Would you still class this as cheating or merely being sensible?
    Posted by samantha25
    That one - imo - is a little bit marginal.

    He sort of hinted, rather than actually "say the words".
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  • DESERTTURKDESERTTURK
    edited March 2014
    just wanna add TIKAY that ive played on a few other sites and when a player is all in , all chat is banned till the end of the hand we might want to get that rolling on SKY
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  • Sir-GarySir-Gary
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating? : DIS agree completely. So you & me are 1-1. ;) Not collusion, & I doubt he was drunk - it is Level 3 thinking, & good thinking at that.   See this thread, HERE
    Posted by Tikay10
    I have to disgree with Tikay here, He states it is a DYM bubble, therefore there is zero advantage in folding your small blind to the away player, as you are certain to win if you raise when folded to you in the SB, and fold otherwise. This way you are risking not winning, and the only benifit is that you allow another player to win in preferance to another.
    Now If it wasn't a DYM bubble then the play makes sense and is correct.
    Was the away player a friend of the chip leader?
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited March 2014
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating?:
    In Response to Re: Is this cheating? : I have to disgree with Tikay here, He states it is a DYM bubble, therefore there is zero advantage in folding your small blind to the away player, as you are certain to win if you raise when folded to you in the SB, and fold otherwise. This way you are risking not winning, and the only benifit is that you allow another player to win in preferance to another. Now If it wasn't a DYM bubble then the play makes sense and is correct. Was the away player a friend of the chip leader?
    Posted by Sir-Gary
    Ooh, good point. I got my threads mixed up, so many of them!
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