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| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| PoshPants | Small blind | 500.00 | 500.00 | 22082.50 | |
| Ozzie08 | Big blind | 1000.00 | 1500.00 | 10317.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| Redge | Fold | ||||
| sara36dd08 | Raise | 2000.00 | 3500.00 | 24912.50 | |
| MAXALLY | Call | 2000.00 | 5500.00 | 22145.00 | |
| borderfox | Fold | ||||
| PoshPants | Call | 1500.00 | 7000.00 | 20582.50 | |
| Ozzie08 | All-in | 10317.50 | 17317.50 | 0.00 | |
| sara36dd08 | Call | 9317.50 | 26635.00 | 15595.00 | |
| MAXALLY | Call | 9317.50 | 35952.50 | 12827.50 | |
| PoshPants | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| sara36dd08 | Check | ||||
| MAXALLY | Check | ||||
| Turn | |||||
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| sara36dd08 | Check | ||||
| MAXALLY | Check | ||||
| River | |||||
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| sara36dd08 | All-in | 15595.00 | 51547.50 | 0.00 | |
| MAXALLY | Fold | ||||
| sara36dd08 | Unmatched bet | 15595.00 | 35952.50 | 15595.00 | |
| Ozzie08 | Show |
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| sara36dd08 | Show |
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| Ozzie08 | Win | Three 8s | 35952.50 | 35952.50 | |
Comments
Please can some one (vince?) explain the above? This was near the end of a MTT and I can not get my head around it. I am still learning the game granted but I can not see why a player would bet into a pot when another player is all in. As you can see, I would of won this hand if I called AND knocked out a player but the other player bet so I could not call.
a) was the bet by the other player incorrect?
b) was I correct to fold?
c) was this in fact a 'quality bet' as put in the chatbox by the eventual winner of the pot?
I have no problem with any of my opponents here as Ozzie went on to finish 3rd in this tourny and I know sara had a very good game but am I missing something here or what?
Rant over - please be gentle with me.....thanks
Cannot understand there calls and all-ins with A 10 and A6 :S Also don't understand why she moved as it would of eventually eliminate a player...
However I would be calling. Got so much invested already getting around 3.5/1 odds, can't put my opponent on a 4 8 or 5 with the pre-flop betting. Probably be scared of of the PP.
I'll answer C first as it's the easiest. The pot winner loves that bet as it kept him in the tourney, of course he's going to see it as 'quality' as he thanks his lucky stars.
a) There is an increasing trend or fad to not check down in these spots. It used to be the norm that any players in the pot with an all in would have an unspoken understanding to check it down unless someone hit big. However now there is a thought process that says 'I'm more likely to win this pot against two players rather than three' and after you have shown no interest in the pot since the all in the villain has decided they can get you out of the pot. I doubt they believe they are ahead in the hand. Personally I'm more old school and would rather have someone out of the tourney.
b) Your fold is correct if you have no prior knowledge of the villain. As you build up an image you will have a decision to make.
It's not a wrong move by the villain but I personally hate it. However the logic behind the move is about I, the villain, having a better chance to win the pot rather than we, the field, trying to get another player out to either ladder or get closer to the bubble.
Thank you for your replies hartshorn, tommy & vb.
Firstly, I am not a great fan of AK and hence try to play it cautiously but I did have position on the villian. If I 4 - bet after the all in and flop I am only going to get called/re raised by a strong pp like JJ/QQ/KK or AA. That is why I took the decision just to check it down the river.
Secondly, the river bet by the villian did indicate to me that she had strength. Like Hartshorn, I did not put her on a 8, 4 or 5 due to the pre flop betting but I was losing to ANY pp by the river and hence could not call her bet and put my tournament 'at risk'.
Thirdly, yes there is an unspoken understanding to check these situations down by players but like Tommy, I am seeing this 'move' more and more on line. What would the reaction be if this was done in a LIVE game?
A foot note to this is that I did actually finish higher than the villian (14th/231) but know if that bet was not done on the river, I would of been one of the CL's and hopefully gone onto the FT or better.
K3 was adamant he did the right play. What made it worse for him was this was a team event so you got more points for every person you out lasted. As it happened he went out before the short stack and therefore cost his team at least one point. I didn't make too much fuss (I just said something like "what's that all about? after the pot finished). There was no real reaction at hte table, just a lot of knowing smiles. The K3 in this piece I have played with a few times before and let's just say, he likes a drink.