Some help required, where am i going wrong in these hands.

ShaunyT

Bit of analysis/advice on these hands please.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
bullymydog	Small blind		30.00	30.00	1785.00
ShaunyT	Big blind		60.00	90.00	3875.00
	Your hole cards	K 9
FISHER13	Fold
dustnbones	Raise		120.00	210.00	3100.00
F1N63RS	Fold
tony011	Fold
bullymydog	Fold
ShaunyT	Call		60.00	270.00	3815.00
Flop
		9 J 9
ShaunyT	Check
dustnbones	Bet		270.00	540.00	2830.00
ShaunyT	Call		270.00	810.00	3545.00
Turn
		5
ShaunyT	Check
dustnbones	Bet		810.00	1620.00	2020.00
ShaunyT	Call		810.00	2430.00	2735.00
River
		K
ShaunyT	Bet		1215.00	3645.00	1520.00
dustnbones	All-in		2020.00	5665.00	0.00
ShaunyT	Call		805.00	6470.00	715.00
ShaunyT	Show	K 9
dustnbones	Show	K K
dustnbones	Win	Full House, Kings and 9s	6470.00		6470.00

So here is my thought process.

Pre flop. Min raise isn't repping too strong, I call as I am in the bb. Whilst the flop is good for my hand the board is super wet and hits a lot of draws that could be in villains range. I check for pot control as betting out on this board pretty much says I HAVE A 9 imo.
 Turn card is a scare card and the big bet I think polarizes his range e.g he's hit the flush or he's scared of the flush or he's got AJ with the ace of spades. I call in the hope to get to a cheap show down.
 The river is the absolute gin card for me ( I thought ) Flushes got there and Q 10 got there too, I was slightly worried about JJ.

Is my thinking right or am I doing it wrong???

ShaunyT

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
savemesoul	Small blind		1000.00	1000.00	56600.00
sillymid	Big blind		2000.00	3000.00	39680.00
	Your hole cards	J 5
ShaunyT	Raise		4000.00	7000.00	80720.00
savemesoul	Call		3000.00	10000.00	53600.00
sillymid	Call		2000.00	12000.00	37680.00
Flop
		5 J 2
savemesoul	Bet		8000.00	20000.00	45600.00
sillymid	Fold
ShaunyT	All-in		80720.00	100720.00	0.00
savemesoul	All-in		45600.00	146320.00	0.00
ShaunyT	Unmatched bet		27120.00	119200.00	27120.00
savemesoul	Show	10 J
ShaunyT	Show	J 5
Turn
		4
River
		10
savemesoul	Win	Two Pairs, Jacks and 10s	119200.00		119200.00

This is the final table, down to the last 3.

Bit more simple. Standard button raise from me. My question is when hitting 2 pair on a fairly dry flop (fl draw aside) am I right to shove like this? The reason I shoved is the villain who called did so with exactly the type of hand I thought he would.

alex1229

Just plays it self cant do much either hand really

77Chris91

Variance...

hhyftrftdr

Second hand is unfortunate. As is the first one to a degree. Not sure I agree with some of your comments though. Calling the min raise because you're in the bb with a marginal hand isn't a great start. Guy has raised, we're gonna be oop all hand, we don't have the betting lead, and we have a hand that is often dominated. Then we smack a dream flop, essentially the nuts or close enough, and now we want to pot control? Also, betting out here makes it look much less likely that we hold the 9 IMO, and the drawing hands are more weighted towards our range than his. Turn isn't that much of a scare card really. Why are we looking to get to a cheap showdown? By calling that fpb we are not getting a cheap showdown, nor should we want a cheap showdown either, I'd still be pretty confident we have the best hand currently. I'd be more concerned of a poor river card that could kill our action and would probably play the turn accordingly. We obvs lose the lot on that river card, but I'm not a fan of that bet. Either stick the lot in or check to them again. 

Matt237

You should be getting most of it in on that flop, charge that flush draw/any overpairs big price, definitely not pot controlling. 

Played themselves really though, unlucky

ShaunyT

In Response to Re: Some help required, where am i going wrong in these hands.:

Second hand is unfortunate. As is the first one to a degree. Not sure I agree with some of your comments though. Calling the min raise because you're in the bb with a marginal hand isn't a great start. Guy has raised, we're gonna be oop all hand, we don't have the betting lead, and we have a hand that is often dominated. Then we smack a dream flop, essentially the nuts or close enough, and now we want to pot control? Also, betting out here makes it look much less likely that we hold the 9 IMO, and the drawing hands are more weighted towards our range than his. Turn isn't that much of a scare card really. Why are we looking to get to a cheap showdown? By calling that fpb we are not getting a cheap showdown, nor should we want a cheap showdown either, I'd still be pretty confident we have the best hand currently. I'd be more concerned of a poor river card that could kill our action and would probably play the turn accordingly. We obvs lose the lot on that river card, but I'm not a fan of that bet. Either stick the lot in or check to them again. 
Posted by hhyftrftdr

Cheers for the feedback. I agree with a lot of it. Good to get different takes on things.

ZIPPY146

 hi shaun

couple of sic hands there..more than likely whatever way u play it the chips would go in.the only difference is the first hand u didnt reraise post flop or the turn to protect your made hand,with a possible flush out there.maybe if u raised  all in here,he might have folded...maybe.lol

jordz16

First hand in that position im never flatting with k9 off as it is so hard to play out of position if you hit a piece of the board. either fold or 3 bet. i would always be putting in a raise on the flop or turn as the board is wet and he is repping strong and you must protect your hand. by the river there is nothing you can do but personally i would have just folded pre.

second hand you simply got unlucky

CraigSG1

In Response to Re: Some help required, where am i going wrong in these hands.:

Second hand is unfortunate. As is the first one to a degree. Not sure I agree with some of your comments though. Calling the min raise because you're in the bb with a marginal hand isn't a great start. Guy has raised, we're gonna be oop all hand, we don't have the betting lead, and we have a hand that is often dominated. Then we smack a dream flop, essentially the nuts or close enough, and now we want to pot control? Also, betting out here makes it look much less likely that we hold the 9 IMO, and the drawing hands are more weighted towards our range than his. Turn isn't that much of a scare card really. Why are we looking to get to a cheap showdown? By calling that fpb we are not getting a cheap showdown, nor should we want a cheap showdown either, I'd still be pretty confident we have the best hand currently. I'd be more concerned of a poor river card that could kill our action and would probably play the turn accordingly. We obvs lose the lot on that river card, but I'm not a fan of that bet. Either stick the lot in or check to them again. 
Posted by hhyftrftdr

+1!!!

Hate the call but after that everything is what it is. Poker! 

unknown_username

Hi S 

First hand

Rer flop bet to make sure he has to stretch a bit for the odds for fl DRW. Say 3x-3.5x bet size.. Bet turn ...maybe he had AJ or hopefully overpair. Bingo on river ...just ull m8. Just don't give him the chance to catch for free. It's much harder to bet than call.

Second hand

Too big a bet for ai considering the pot size IMO. What do you expect to call? Ives feeling you would just be happy to have won that pot as it stood. You should be making value bets as you must feel that you are ahead. Ai should only be called by fl DRW+pr! set! or two pair(maybe). You were very lucky to get called by toppr medium kicker and then very unlucky to get sucked out on. 

hhyftrftdr

Disagree with that last bit Proffy, my man. The effective stack size means any raise is gonna be an all in essentially and playing for villains stack. Shoving here makes us look weaker or drawing, hence any number of hands might pay us off.

Think I'd play that hand in a very similar manner.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Some help required, where am i going wrong in these hands.:

Disagree with that last bit Proffy, my man. The effective stack size means any raise is gonna be an all in essentially and playing for villains stack. Shoving here makes us look weaker or drawing, hence any number of hands might pay us off. Think I'd play that hand in a very similar manner.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

Hi H

Firstly congrats on your Dtd success sir. Superbement as we say in France!

Personally 3rd size of eff ss I look upon as all in situation next. I feel that this is a value bet that short stack could easily rer as opposed to having still 22.5 bb's and decide to fold after my all in thus costing you value.  I crept the idea of larger bet seems weaker but I'm surprised he got the the call with TPWK myself. 

I accept that it's swings and roundabouts but I still would tend to value bet and try to keep my opponent in the pot with a lesser hand. Fair point though and at least we can see the merits in the plays. 

PS I tend to write my opinion THEN read others so at least I put my thoughts down and probably learn from others too. Cheers m8