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Rebuy sats for big events
This follows on from another thread with a good debate today. Rather than derail it further I thought I'd start this. Just writing this off the top of my head and so probably pretty flawed.
I would love to see rebuy sats for the UKPC.
I don't know whether they would reach the numbers required but something like a weekly £20 rebuy with a number of seats guaranteed was what I was thinking. Average buy in on Sky is probably lower than most sites and I'm sure there is a huge temptation for lower bankrolled players to just take the cash once they get to the £240 sat the way things are done presently.A £20 rebuy would give these players a shot at getting directly into a big event for a reasonable buy in.
Number of ways of looking at it I suppose. It could well be argued that players with just the one bullet in these would be at a big disadvantage to higher bankrolled players who might be happy to gamble early to get a stack and throw in a number of rebuys. As a punt though I think it would be worth it. Maybe have a big chip addon to help increase the prizepool and also to give a fighting chance to players who gave hung on through the rebuy period.
I've been on Sky for a couple of years and not really seen any rebuy sats. Maybe wrong though and they've been tried and not worked out.
Thoughts..
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Hi Paul.
You ended your post with "thoughts"........so here we go.
As you know, UKPC is something I do have some involvement in, mostly at the "Live" end, though I mention ideas about Satellites & the like to the Suit Chap responsible. I don't get too strong in my views, because thats what he does - design & implement Satellite structures, & they generally work pretty well on Sky Poker, so I have to tread with some caution. And anyway, we should pay the guy some respect for understanding better than any of us how to do his job.
I did ask him, however, if a Rebuy Satelite for the 6-Max UKPC could be considered in the Satellite programme. If you recall, we had exactly that for the UKPC in February, & I was hoping we could have the same for the 6-Max UKPC.
He reminded me that, most weeks, & certainly overall, those Rebuy Sats did not perform to expectation - that is to say, they suffered overlay most weeks. People say "so what, a bit of overlay does no harm", but thats just wrong. Money lost in overlay then has to be earned, elsewhere, TWICE, just to get back to where we started. Makes no commercial sense.
One reason those earlier UKPC REbuy Sats failed to perform satisfactorily, is that, as designed, they offered, if I recall correctly....
1 x £1,100 UKPC Seat
5 x £240 Sunday Night Final Seats.
So, they needed £2,300 to "cover".
The maths are slightly different for the 6-Max UKPC, as the Reg Fee is INCLUDED in the Buy-In, with 10% taken from the Prize Pool, so the equivelant would be.....
1 x £1,000 6-Max UKPC seat.
5 x £220 Sunday Night Final Seats.
So they'd need £2,100 to cover.
I suggested to him that maybe the Guaranteed seats (as above) should be reduced.
His view was that, with a lesser Guarantee, the target market for that Rebuy Sat would be less inclined to play it, so the exercise would be self-defeating. At which point, I accepted his view, & we left it that, for the moment, & they would not happen, but they would keep an open mind, as to how Seats are moving generally (here & elsewhere) & review the decision a bit further down the line.
So that's about the top & bottom of it for the moment.
Just whilst we are discussing this, I now have weekly Meets with Rob Yong up at DTD to discuss the whole Sky Poker 6-Max UKPC Festival generally. Even though he has been flat out busy this last week with UKIPT, we still had the Meet yesterday, & Rob & I discussed various matters as to the Festival.
Everything is now moving into gear, & via various means (most not announced yet), over 400 seats are already locked up. 500 are needed to meet the Guaranteee, & that 400 does not include, Directs, "walk-ins" & Re-Entries, so in theory (lol...) we are in great shape.
We had 621 for the previous UKPC, & we'd LOVE to equal that. Much much harder this time of course, as it is 6-Max, which reduces capacity significantly, but it won't fail for lack of effort.
Be great to see you there, Paul. The £250 "Mini", which kicks off the Fessie, could in itself generate a monsta field. I hope.....
At over £10 for a £48 seat, it's effectively a 1 in 5.
If they didn't meet the guarantees then they aren't worth running.
Does anyone know if there's any chance of overlap if you were running deep it £250 mini, as to whether that runs into the Day 1s for the main?
Two chaps you know, & have recently shared "Live" Table experiences with had pretty good binks last week.
First, Dave Shallow (he of the K-high call @ SPT Stratters) chopped the UKIPT High Roller for £67,000.
Then, yesterday, Ben Dobson, who won that UKPC 6-Max in which you came 3rd, chopped the Scoop Milliball for $200,000.
Not forgetting, of course, Ryan, who netted just shy of £52,000 in the UKIPT Main yesterday.
The stuff of dreams, eh?
No, there is no overlap, & the Schedule was assembled with some care to ensure that did not happen with the Mini.
The Mini has 3 opening flights (Thursday, Friday & Saturday, 7th/8th/9th) with the Final on Sunday 10th.
The first of the 3 opening flights for the Main starts on Tuesday 12th.
So no, no overlap.
You can see the full schedules HERE or HERE
£10 unlimited rebuys first hour, 1 add on
5x£240 sunday night final seats
need £1,200 to 'cover'
take away 10% from the prize pool
they need £1100
It would mean that 110 purchases would be needed to break even. Surely a £10 rebuy could attract 50+ players, then not to mention all the rebuys that people would be purchasing.
Or on a cheaper note....
£5 unlimited rebuys first hour, 1add on
10x£54 sunday night semi final seats
need £540 to 'cover'
take away 10% from the prize pool
they need £480
It would mean 96 purchases to break even.
Also if my memory serves me right, quite a few people said that they did not even know that a rebuy was taking place for the UKPC and if they had of known about it they would have played it for sure.
Just my 2 cents worth...
That's a good post.
In truth, I don't know if they have considered that, but it seems to stack up, so I'll certainly send it up to the Main Man for him to have a look at. I'll do so straight away.
Your numbers seem largely accurate, though note that Sunday Final seats are £220, not £240, & Semi-Final seats are £48, not £54. (Because of the way the Reg Fee is included in the Buy-In cost by the Venue).
I only had one convo with The Man about the Qualifying Structure, which was, as I posted earlier in response to the Rt Hon Jac, (Derby County, Sky Bet Play-Off), about the Rebuy Sat that ran on Thursdays for the original UKPC.
Well I'm surprised at that, as I banged on about those Rebuy Sats at every opportunity, on this Community (every week), on the Show, in my weekly "2 minutes with tikay" Video Updates, everywhere. Having said that, I can understand why folks "switch off" when I go off on my spammage rants....
It's quite surprising what we take for granted in life, actually. I answered a Post today from a regular Community user who asked about the 6-Max UKPT schedule, which I sort of assumed everyone had seen, as we've made a ton of noise about it. Never assume anything, I guess.
Much appreciated Tikay, Thank you. Oh btw, congrats on your recent Omaha cash!
Objection, M'Lord.
I was simply mentioning the SKY BET Play Offs whilst discussing the SKY POKER UKPC.
Happy with playing QPR? Better option than Wigan, or worse?
PS - Have sent you a PM.