Sick spot

LARSON7

Interesting turn decision, what would you do?

The re-jammer is a decent enough reg

dogcharlieSmall blind £0.10£0.10£22.83DonttelmumBig blind £0.20£0.30£32.83 Your hole cards44   WHITEADDERFold    LARSON7Raise £0.60£0.90£23.26lewisCall £0.60£1.50£13.41xRaise £2.40£3.90£42.62dogcharlieFold    DonttelmumFold    LARSON7Call £1.80£5.70£21.46lewisCall £1.80£7.50£11.61Flop  7410   LARSON7Check    lBet £6.20£13.70£5.41xCall £6.20£19.90£36.42LARSON7Call £6.20£26.10£15.26Turn  K   LARSON7Check    lewisAll-in £5.41£31.51£0.00xAll-in £36. 

LARSON7

Hi Footsie,

It's such a dry board

i doubt he's 3 betting light here reflop.

With the flop action AK is very unikely here.

His range here is Tens Kings or Aces, really can't see him having much else here given the board texture.

Lambert180

Snap fold pre to the 3bet ainec.

We should call the turn imo, even more reason not to peel pre if we're not happy getting in a set on this runout.

splashies

Pretty big leak your call pre Henrik.

LARSON7

It's pretty close pre, don't mind a call or a fold.

77Chris91

Pre is not a massive mistake if your pretty sure it's gonna go 3-way to the flop. Folding is still best though.

Turn is a snap call. Btn could easily be isolating the weaker players small shove with a way wider range than your suggesting. Your only losing to KK, 10's generally flat pre-flop.  

alex1229

That is a snap call im lovin that shove thats what you want!!!!

snap snap snap

LARSON7

In Response to Re: Sick spot:

That is a snap call im lovin that shove thats what you want!!!! snap snap snap
Posted by alex1229

lol nah we want him just 2 call, and we can just jam. 

When he re-jams on this board, this really dry board your heart just sinks with your set of 4s haha

I felt i was beat (when he jams), but  had 2 call


He had 10, 10.

Lambert180

I don't think pre is close tbh, I think it's a clear fold.

We only flop a set like 1in9 times. If we're calling £1.80 to flop a set, to win 9x that is £16.20, lewis only has 60xBB at the start of the hand too so implied odds there are bad. We need to win alot more than 9x the call though to counter the times we hit our set and don't get paid, or flop our set and still have the 2nd best hand etc, so we wanna be winning like 15x the £1.80 call quite often which is £27 which means we need to be stacking the 3bettor alot... and if we're scared to stack off V that 3bettor on this runout then set-mining has to be bad imo.

Once we've called pre tho, we can't fold.

BorinLoner

Well, we are looking at 15:1 against the 3-bettor in combined odds. Obviously the third player in the hand complicates matters because it means the 3-bettor is a little less likely to stack off with just one-pair type hands post-flop. On the other hand, if they come along we're looking at slightly better value on the call pre-flop.

It has to be said that the chance of flopping a set is 11.75% - about 7.5:1 - so break even is 13.50 here. Not that we can afford to set mine for anywhere near that little. There's £26.90 (at least) to play for against the 3-bettor, though.

Being OOP is going to be a pretty big problem but I think it's just about fine to set-mine here. It certainly isn't a clear fold. It would be nice to know that the villain isn't capable of being light in this situation.

seanallen

Depends on dynamics. If you've been opening a lot and shortie has been calling a lot I just get the feeling the buttons 3 bet iso value range is going to include to many hands where you're not really getting the implied odds.

hhyftrftdr

If you're gonna play 44 this way then it would be criminal not to get stacked here.

Check calling that flop also gives your hand up somewhat.

Matt237

Did you river a 4?

percival09

call. pre is a fold because of one of the guys stack sizes. if both were 100bb+ then it would be reasonable

jordz16

Snap fold pre, snap call the turn, even though you wont be loving it and would be behind 50% of the time, i think you still have to go with it after hitting that flop