Bounty Hunter, flopped full house, bad river.

GaryQQQ

Bounty Hunter tournament @ £5.75. This is the second hand of the tournament.

I won a 4-way limped pot in hand #1 with K5o on the BB when I check/called a river bluff with my unimproved flopped top pair after donk-leading flop and turn.

I don't recognise or have notes on the villian in hand #2, so this river decision has to be made completely readless.

Are you calling, folding or shoving here? And why?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
villain	Small blind		10.00	10.00	1970.00
mdavies225	Big blind		20.00	30.00	1520.00
	Your hole cards	5 5
BugeHollox	Fold
kc8	Fold
N_13	Fold
GaryQQQ	Raise		40.00	70.00	2500.00
villain	Call		30.00	100.00	1940.00
mdavies225	Raise		60.00	160.00	1460.00
GaryQQQ	Call		40.00	200.00	2460.00
villain	Call		40.00	240.00	1900.00
Flop
		5 Q Q
villain	Bet		100.00	340.00	1800.00
mdavies225	Fold
GaryQQQ	Call		100.00	440.00	2360.00
Turn
		3
villain	Bet		220.00	660.00	1580.00
GaryQQQ	Raise		660.00	1320.00	1700.00
villain	Call		440.00	1760.00	1140.00
River
		3
villain	Bet		520.00

hhyftrftdr

Probably just call with us being readless, though I think there are merits in raising all in. I'm not sure the average low stakes BH player would donk lead with a Q here, so I'd lean towards him having either a 5 (unlikely) or a medium pair.

Maybe he backdoored quads

Think his betsizing is a little suspicious, and I don't pass the river.

grantorino

I would consider raising the flop

Prob flat river, think he shows up with Qx a good bit, but getting 4/1 I ain't ever folding

jimb0d1

Fold as expect to see a queen 100% of the time vs average loose passive player in these games. Orrible!

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: Bounty Hunter, flopped full house, bad river.:

Fold as expect to see a queen 100% of the time vs average loose passive player in these games. Orrible!
Posted by jimb0d1

If you had the Q, would you not just shove the river instead of betting almost half your stack? Bearing in mind the bounty element and that Gary has villain covered...

jimb0d1

I just cant see the average player here getting to the river with less than trip queens or a very unlikely overpair. If we had a note on what his donk bets usually mean then perhaps a call? Smells dangerous to me.

Go on then Gary....

northy_001

You're calling on the turn and then wait for the river card bet. If he goes all-in then you have a clue to him having a Queen.

I would have called pre-flop,
standard raise on flop or 5 bb.
check/called on the turn.
check on the river.

Your 660 bet on the turn, stinks of desperation, I want to end this here and now.

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: Bounty Hunter, flopped full house, bad river.:

You're calling on the turn and then wait for the river card bet. If he goes all-in then you have a clue to him having a Queen. I would have called pre-flop, standard raise on flop or 5 bb. check/called on the turn. check on the river. Your 660 bet on the turn, stinks of desperation, I want to end this here and now.
Posted by northy_001

He raised the turn, didn't call.

No real need to raise the flop, the hands that we can feasibly get action from are limited, and if they have the Q we'll get the lot anyway. Plus we have position, so can dictate the play.

No idea what that last sentence is about....

Matt237

In Response to Re: Bounty Hunter, flopped full house, bad river.:

In Response to Re: Bounty Hunter, flopped full house, bad river. : If you had the Q, would you not just shove the river instead of betting almost half your stack? Bearing in mind the bounty element and that Gary has villain covered...
Posted by hhyftrftdr

These players don't think like that! The river donk after flatting the turn raise screams Qx. I'd fold riv but hand has been wp.