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random dealer

jenny5jenny5
edited January 2010 in Area 51
i watched a programme on tv a proffessor said a computer cannot randomise as it is a human function and that it only randomises what is programmed
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  • rats107rats107
    edited January 2010
    would all the hands possible be programmed on the computer then the software then distribute them randomly?
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice
    edited January 2010
    That is what is known as "sophistry".

    A computer(program) can randomise, i.e. it can produce a result that it is impossible for anyone to predict - including anyone who programmed the computer or who knows how the computer works.
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  • NoseyBonkNoseyBonk
    edited January 2010
    It's certainly hard to program a computer to generate a truly random number given the sources available to it, but do we really care at that level?! It is random enough!
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  • jenny5jenny5
    edited January 2010
    but it would know what cards everyone has and could deal a winner
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  • emilyeggemilyegg
    edited January 2010
    "Anyone phoned a Taxi to Area 51?"
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  • diablo_pezdiablo_pez
    edited January 2010
    it can't possibly be random i correctly guess the river card > 2% of the time
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited January 2010

    MereNovice has hit the nail on the head. Thousands - yes, thousands - of Online Poker Rooms all rely on exactly that. It is "fit-for-purpose", & Certified thusly by the Regulators.
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    but it would know what cards everyone has and could deal a winner
    Posted by jenny5
    Correct - it deals a winner every hand.
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : Correct - it deals a winner every hand.
    Posted by Tikay10
    lol brilliant tikay... am i your biggest fan atm?! i think someone should set up a TK appreciation group on facebook lol
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  • MereNoviceMereNovice
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : Correct - it deals a winner every hand.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Sometimes it "deals" a split pot and everyone's a winner.
    Those are my favourites.
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  • NoseyBonkNoseyBonk
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : Sometimes it "deals" a split pot and everyone's a winner. Those are my favourites.
    Posted by MereNovice
    Share and share alike. Beautiful coding :)
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  • phil12ukphil12uk
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    Here it is, in a nutshell, this is an INDISPUTABLE   point................. are you ready????????? .. are you??????????????? Cos here it comes.................................... IF YOU THINK IT'S FIXED (thats all "this is a joke" posts, all "only on skyjoker" posts, all "it favours the big stack" posts etc etc etc) ............... STOP PLAYING ONLINE !!!!! There I SAID IT..... Somebody needs to lol !!
    Posted by ACESOVER8s
    Because if I then played poker live all the time, I'd never run into bad beats again!
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited January 2010
    Here it is, in a nutshell, this is an INDISPUTABLE  point................. are you ready????????? .. are you???????????????

    Cos here it comes.................................... IF YOU THINK IT'S FIXED (thats all "this is a joke" posts, all "only on skyjoker" posts, all "it favours the big stack" posts etc etc etc)

    ............... STOP PLAYING ONLINE !!!!!

    There I SAID IT..... Somebody needs to lol !!

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  • big_mick12big_mick12
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : Because if I then played poker live all the time, I'd never run into bad beats again!
    Posted by phil12uk

    It is true whenever i play live i always win because i never go in behind and the best hands win yay! Oh what a dull game it is.
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : It is true whenever i play live i always win because i never go in behind and the best hands win yay! Oh what a dull game it is.
    Posted by big_mick12
    That is in fact absolutly correct. In live games the bestest hand wins 110% of the time. Also the best player at the taable wins every tournament and Donks don't exist inside casino's. Perfect poker is played by every runner and when you win beautiful half clothed ladies bring your money to you on silver diner platters............ orrrrrr was that my dream.... Hmmmmmmmmm. No thats definatly the way it happens
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : Because if I then played poker live all the time, I'd never run into bad beats again!
    Posted by phil12uk
    lol Obviously not something i beleive Phil but people think they can't trust it because it's a computer doing it

    If people are going to run with the conspiracy theory that it's fixed then why deposit your money and play?
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  • philmenowphilmenow
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : lol Obviously not something i beleive Phil but people think they can't trust it because it's a computer doing it If people are going to run with the conspiracy theory that it's fixed then why deposit your money and play?
    Posted by ACESOVER8s
    coz they dont live near a casino
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  • ACESOVER8sACESOVER8s
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : coz they dont live near a casino
    Posted by philmenow
    I don't live near a dog track but i don't go online to bet on them only to complain that the dogs being doped because mine was favourite and didn't win???

    ** P.S at this point i should say that the OP was asking a question and NOT giving bad beat / i know it's a fix and i have proof type comments. This is just my general feeling on all these types of threads that question the integrety of the site and the people working on it (as per super user accounts etc). Not a pop at the OP
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  • philmenowphilmenow
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    it can't possibly be random i correctly guess the river card /> 2% of the time
    Posted by diablo_pez
    i think that'll be chance.
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  • philmenowphilmenow
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : I don't live near a dog track but i don't go online to bet on them only to complain that the dogs being doped because mine was favourite and didn't win??? ** P.S at this point i should say that the OP was asking a question and NOT giving bad beat / i know it's a fix and i have proof type comments. This is just my general feeling on all these types of threads that question the integrety of the site and the people working on it (as per super user accounts etc). Not a pop at the OP
    Posted by ACESOVER8s
    i dont live near a dog track either so i either bet online or down bookies.its  the convenience of online that makes it so appealing,and more affordable...but i think the OP point is theyv heard something that makes them question the integrity of computer based games.how trustworthy is something that has been programmed by a human(there are alot of cheating nasty humans about,afterall)?
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  • diablo_pezdiablo_pez
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : i think that'll be chance.
    Posted by philmenow
    thanks i can now sleep more easy
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  • morse999morse999
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : i think that'll be chance.
    Posted by philmenow
    when I have a bad run ,which always includes bieng rivered repeatedly, it is tempting to blame the site and say it s fixed. But i can t see that it is in the site s interest to put players on a loosing run , either for a long time , or just occasionaly. If they did most sensible players would withdraw their money and play elsewhere.
    Given the game is approx  70% luck and 30% skill the 30% is the factor some may be missing.
    If you accept that you ain t gonna win every decent hand you play and you will also hit rivers to beat others with stronger hands pre flop or at the turn you will find bieng beaten easier to take.
    remember...pocket aces are only 4/1 to win pre flop and those odds increase if called by 3 or more players.

    I enjoy and am reasnably sucsessfull at on line poker for a couple of reasons.
    I don t have to travel to casinos any more, saving hotel bills , petrol etc. Also I can smoke as many ciggys as I like in my own home. The 39 yrs experience of poker playing helps too.
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  • AIRWALKERAIRWALKER
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: random dealer:
    In Response to Re: random dealer : when I have a bad run ,which always includes bieng rivered repeatedly, it is tempting to blame the site and say it s fixed. But i can t see that it is in the site s interest to put players on a loosing run , either for a long time , or just occasionaly. If they did most sensible players would withdraw their money and play elsewhere. I enjoy and am reasnably sucsessfull at on line poker for a couple of reasons. I don t have to travel to casinos any more, saving hotel bills , petrol etc. Also I can smoke as many ciggys as I like in my own home.
    Posted by morse999
    Absolutely agree with every word of this post. Brilliant mate. I have also stopped going to casinos for these reasons myself + dosh saved on booze or taxis, food, alsorts. (mainly the smoking though)

    But seriously you are a good few quid up before you even start. Even though i play more often on line it doesn't matter because a tenner can be built up to last a few weeks even if your not a very good player like me lol.
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