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Turning our hand into a bluff
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| lJAMESl | Small blind | £1.50 | £1.50 | £529.37 | |
| PCPara | Big blind | £3.00 | £4.50 | £164.99 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| BrownnDog | Fold | ||||
| Sharksbite | Fold | ||||
| Villain | Raise | £9.00 | £13.50 | £553.68 | |
| red16 | Fold | ||||
| lJAMESl | Call | £7.50 | £21.00 | £521.87 | |
| PCPara | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| lJAMESl | Check | ||||
| Villain | Bet | £14.00 | £35.00 | £539.68 | |
| lJAMESl | Call | £14.00 | £49.00 | £507.87 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| lJAMESl | Check | ||||
| Villain | Bet | £40.00 | £89.00 | £499.68 | |
| lJAMESl | Raise | £111.00 | £200.00 | £396.87 | |
| Villain | Call | £71.00 | £271.00 | £428.68 | |
| River | |||||
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| lJAMESl | ???? | ||||
Comments
Preflop I elect to flat call knowing that villain will probably call my 3bet light or possibly even 4bet me light and we don't really want to get in 6s preflop so a call here is the best option.
Villain cbets about 80% of flops and espesh ones he thinks he can represent well, here I decide to flat call knowing that my 6s are good most of the time. On the turn an Ace comes I know Villain will be thinking this is a great card to represent and even may of turned a pair of aces here in the process, he bets £40 I decide that now my 6s are pretty much worthless and this is also a good card for me to represent as I could easily be on a flush draw so I decide to reraise I make it £111 to go, I'm pretty much expecting the Villain to fold his Kings here if he had one and even fold an ace some of the time. He decides to call.
Now I figure villain for an Ace with either a big spade e.g. AJ with the Jack of spades AQ with the Q of spades or perhaps even A3 with a wheel draw omaybe even A4 for two pair. I think he calls here, expecting me to give up on alot of rivers if I am bluffin and his ace to be good at showdown.
The river comes a 5 which in turn pairs the board giving all Ace hands two pair Aces and 5s with a king kicker, the problem I have here is I cannot now overbet-shove to represent the ace as I will suddenly be representing a fullhouse instead so I have to be careful about my decision, do I check and give up or do I make a value sized bet to make the villain fold his Ace?
If so what bet size should I make it? I've already discussed why an allin will look too bluffy.
Would like to hear peoples thoughts. And will show the results and my final decision later on.
James
Without your knowledge of your opponent, I think that I would often try to check raise the flop if I am going to have a try at taking the pot. I only defer and check raise the turn in spots like this if I think my opponent is at "a level" where he would be able to fold here. In my mind, the deferred check-raise looks extremely strong.
Having tried this move (and failed) I'm a wuss and think that I generally give up at this point. I place him on at least a decent ace (probably with the draws that you have indicated) and I can't think of a bet-size that I would want to make that would take the pot down from someone who I think is likely to call. As you said, any ace looks strong after the river. With the As & Ks on the board, we can really only represent suited (gapped) connectors for the flush or a full house and I hate to try and represent hands that my opponent may well be holding.
In summary, I surrender.
+ 1 I would probably fold aswell like merenovice and zing as u really dont rep much.
A guess there could be a argument for a bet if he thinks you are tricky/unorthodox player instead of a solid good tag.
If i was going to bet it would probably be between 1/3 and 1/2 pot. (praying they fold aj,aq etc)
As your deep u obviously have to at least call just for the implied odds of hitting a set, if i was 100bb deep i would probably fold this against this player.(if my 3bet wasnt getting any credit.)
Is that being a huge nit? What would evreyone else do 100bb deep?
Deuce
Hello! We are representing a flush draw flatting here and calling is absolutely fine and the raise is perfect if we want to get maximum value from our hand (flush). Why on earth would I raise 2 pair on this turn? would be the dumbest raise of all time lol. He's never going to rep a house here unless he has it, this is a good player we are talking about who is pretty sure I wont fold my flush, and for him to turn his pair into a bluff is pointless he has to decide now whether his ace is good and whether he believes I truly do have the flush.
Good examples James, trying to balance all your lines must be really hard. (its confusing me neway lol.)
At the stakes i play there is generally no point balancing your lines as its often best to play the most +ev play as no1 is good enough to exploit you.
In example hand 1 if you had 2 spades (say 9s10s), would check raising 3 out of 4 times and check calling 1 out of 4 times be okay for balancing or would i get owned.
Some stats would help but if i had to guess i would say utg had aces and u had a flush but that would be too simple so im going to let the clevier players work it out lol.
Some stats would help but if i had to guess i would say utg had aces and u had a flush but that would be too simple so im going to let the clevier players work it out lol.
I understand what your saying and I know the range I am repping is small, but I am not going to check the river with a flush here am I, just because the board paired this is what an inexperienced player would do most of the time. If I have the flush I am going to value bet here to get called by the Aces and 5s with the King kicker. If I'm expecting villain to be thinking I am going to give up on alot of rivers then surely we should always bet here especially when bluffing or when we have the flush as sometimes we will get hero called but this is a big mistake making a call here with just an Ace in the long run imo. I don't doubt you have a good thought process for the game but I can tell you think people play a certain way, theres a reason I run weird lines and that is because nowadays everyone watches cardrunner videos and players think the same e.g. he can never be bluffing this river bla bla bla most of the plays you suggested e.g. check raising sets and check raising flush draws everytime are going to be a thing of the past soon, because its so easy to read with all the help you get from forums, training sites etc. It's 2010 time to change the way we play and think about the game instead of being a cardrunners robot.
Nice to see you posting on one of my hands finally :-).
Like you said the check raise is a strong move here, if this was a bad player I wouldn't even bother check raising this turn I would just fold. But as I know opponent is a good thinker of the game and has seen me playing a solid game all session he has no reason to think I will get out of line here. I know villain will be thinking if I am bluffing I will give up on the river 9 out of 10 times, so having thought that through we have to be consistent with our story and this is why it is essential to fire the final bullet and make him fold his Ace if he happens to hero us its not always bad because he will remember the hand and call us down lighter in future when we do infact have the flush, which is always good for our image.
tbh I like c/c and evaluate river alot more as the As is such a good barrel card for his bluffing range that you're going to be ahead of his turn betting range often.
I've not checked, but i'll take your word for it
Stick a stamp on it, and jump inside a postbox
...couldnt resist