River Pain...................

DOHHHHHHH

It's another £10 to call.

Call / shove / fold   ?????????

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
DOHHHHHHH	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£64.53
pixie919	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£52.26
	Your hole cards	4 4
STR1BS	Fold
triathlete	Fold
UP	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£0.50	£0.80	£64.03
pixie919	Raise		£1.60	£2.40	£50.66
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£1.20	£3.60	£62.83
Flop
		K 4 J
DOHHHHHHH	Check
pixie919	Check
Turn
		5
DOHHHHHHH	Check
pixie919	Bet		£2.70	£6.30	£47.96
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£2.70	£9.00	£60.13
River
		6
DOHHHHHHH	Check
pixie919	Bet		£6.75	£15.75	£41.21
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£16.00	£31.75	£44.13
pixie919	Raise		£19.30	£51.05	£21.91
DOHHHHHHH

IDONKCALLU

call

seanallen

Wouldn't expect a solidish?(plays a few tables, seems to run up stacks fairly often) player to either be value raising worse or bluffing very often, esp with sizing. I'd just station/nit call? I think with the pot odds. Set should be good at least some of the time. Cant really see any value in shoving, think we're up against higher sets way to often to make it profitable.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: River Pain...................:

Wouldn't expect a solidish?(plays a few tables, seems to run up stacks fairly often) player to either be value raising worse or bluffing very often, esp with sizing. I'd just station/nit call? I think with the pot odds. Set should be good at least some of the time. Cant really see any value in shoving, think we're up against higher sets way to often to make it profitable.
Posted by seanallen

Yah I don't think it's ever a bluff, and he's never value raising worse....

So can we fold?

Has to be KK 70% of the time, JJ 30% of the time and never ever anythin else?

We are getting a gr8 price, and he only has to be bluffing once in a blue moon but he probably isn't....

Lambert180

I'm tempted to think they should/would jam KK/JJ on the river after you've 'given the game away' by check/raising but I still struggle to see much we can beat. Seanallen mentioned them being a solid multi-tabler but I can't see anything about that in the OP :S if they are a solidish reg then I think it's a definite fold.

Tbf you did answer your own question lol, never a bluff and never a worse value hand = we lose 100% of the time so should fold.

Thoughts on betting the turn yourself? If they've checked back flop with like AQ/QT/AJ etc, they're likely to check it back again imo, but would call a bet, could also checkback a turned FD. Obv we still get calls by the few hands that we're crushed by (but we'd c/c V them anyway) and the parts of his range that are pretty much (or completely) drawing dead aren't gonna bluff now anyway after giving up on flop.

77Chris91

Any reads on the villain at all?

Imo river is a call considering the price your getting. Think we are only losing to 3 combos of KK (No idea why JJ would check flop so would be discounting this myself.)

The way the hand has played I can see a thinking villain bluffing the river once in a while. Your river raise looks looks like your trying to push villain of QQ/Jx that has bet for thin value. You don't really rep much yourself which can level the villain into bluffing the river (Sizing villain has used should enable then to have a few bluffs here.)

Obviously if you know they are a standard nitty micro reg than folding is much closer and probably correct.

Just as a side, I think you missed a really good spot for a turn c/r. You can rep a lot of semi bluffing combos (FD's) that would want to play the turn this way. 44 is really disguised and doesn't block any of the villains calling range (Kx, Jx) 

DOHHHHHHH

I'm not very good with reads, "a standard nitty micro reg" is probably an apt description, but then I assume that about everyone who isn't an obvious fish. They're all a much of a muchness! 

He's been on a few of my tables for an hour or so and I've not really noticed him do anything good, bad, or weird. So prob just assume he has what it looks like he has for now.  

He did, it was KK. 

JingleMa

I was gonna say fold and I know nothing.

(That's right, I come from Barcelona and manage the England ODI team).

What do I win?

F_Ivanovic

I lead turn almost always. 3-bets OTR are so rare and they're nearly always nuts/close to it. That being said for the price I probably can't fold either - and then justify the call by "if villain hadn't played his hand so slow I could easily have gone broke, so I still saved some money in a cooler hand!"