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Annoying spot with flopped set at 20PL
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| MADMOO | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £40.51 | |
| classasa | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £37.71 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| squirrel85 | Fold | ||||
| spurdog | Call | £0.20 | £0.50 | £18.82 | |
| cod | Call | £0.20 | £0.70 | £19.00 | |
| scotty77 | Call | £0.20 | £0.90 | £22.96 | |
| MADMOO | Call | £0.10 | £1.00 | £40.41 | |
| classasa | Check | ||||
| Flop | |||||
| |||||
| MADMOO | Check | ||||
| classasa | Check | ||||
| spurdog | Bet | £0.75 | £1.75 | £18.07 | |
| cod | Call | £0.75 | £2.50 | £18.25 | |
| scotty77 | Raise | £3.19 | £5.69 | £19.77 | |
| MADMOO | Fold | ||||
| classasa | Fold | ||||
| spurdog | Raise | £4.88 | £10.57 | £13.19 | |
| cod | Call | £4.88 | £15.45 | £13.37 | |
| WHAT DO I DO NOW?! | |||||
Comments
Realistically, there are too many draws on that board to be happy with a call. i would have to fold.
Someone will undoubtably hit it hard, if they havent already.
You currently have 3rd nuts, but the turn is no doubt gonna hurt badly. You have seen the number of pairs you see in Omaha, so there is a strong liklihood of someone holding a higher set.
A straight or flush draw is absolute certainty. Against one other opponent I would call based on the size of the bet against the size of the pot, but 2 players means if you are in front now, then doubtless you will be behind by the river.
You have a rainbow holding and a moderate straight possibility so I'd fold pre-flop.
The problem comes when you hit a flop like that which is just about the best that you can hope for.
There are a huge number of draws and you have no real "defence" against them. You could well already be drawing to a one-outer and even if you are ahead you can't have any confidence about staying ahead.
Even if the board pairs you will have the "low full house" which can be very expensive in Omaha.
So I used my fold button for like the first time in a year in PLO.
Results:
Still long term folding still is the best option against two other players.
At the moment players are overrating (and proudly showing) their two pair or trips and are quite happy to push all in, as proved here.
One player I play against regularly shows his two pair and I assume he is showing his semi bluff or (wrongly) proudly shows off his monster.
One player pushed with an over pair and little else by way of extensions, The other player at least had straight and flush possibilities.
Unfortunately, it makes it impossible to put people on hands so either you will clean up handsomely over the next week or two, or go bust with your flushes rivered by FH's.
Yet again i will say it is best to watch the table first to see if there are players on the table who know the game before joining. The true nightmare at these levels are the any4 brigade because they are impossible to read or understand there play because they will raise up with an overpair or TPTK because they are stuck in holdem thinking. Your edge in this game at the moment is against people who have a knowledge of the game but not much experience.
It's all part of poker's rich tapestry.
Yes, the odds were good to call and see another card but with little in the way of improvement, then the chances are that he would have been overtaken.
Against one other, I would have called, but not 2 opponents.
The all in on the turn would have put serious doubts on my hand, although it wasnt a scare card but in Omaha, people do like to play for their draws.
Keep the pot small until the river is the best option. You dont need to be throwing cash around until you are quite certain that your hand will stand.
Long term, the fold is still by far and away the best play.
Never in a million years could you have put QQ as winning hand heading for the river. Even if you'd called b4 the turn (after £3 raise I'm probably calling for £1.69) you wouldve folded b4 the river. So great call in saving 1.69, totally unlucky you were playing against 2 guys finishing off the xmas beer stash scotty.
and you know full well how much I hate folding
(Plus to be honest a bit of a blatent brag)
Incidently, I locked up a few hands later.
Plus, like I say, it was a little bit of a blatant brag. (my first ever, may I add)
Both callers gave me the assumption both held the six so I was happy that I wasnt against quads.
The low turn meant I wanted to put it to bed purely because I was worried about a higher holding pair making a better FH.
back to the op, obv fold most of the time you will have 1 out and have to fade redraws to a str8 flush lol
u a good player so i hope u capitalised on their play after this hand was shown.
Forget the oppo's play Ryan. Bottom Set on that Flop is uber-scary. This is Omaha, not Hold 'Em!
With 6-6-7-7 No Suits, the best flop you can (realistically) hope for is 4-5-x, no suits, as you have the SD & str8 blockers. And you'd still need to hit.
You need to re-apprsise the hand Rankings. Start by completely forgetting how Hold 'Em plays. Omaha is a totally different game.
Theres people on the pitch....
They think its all over...
(quite tired whilst posting this)