putting opponents on a range post flop

craigcu12

lambert180 keeps telling me it all the time, i need to put opponents onto a hand range. When i'm playing a reg i don't seem to have much of a problem at all but when it's recs or any unknown for that instance i'm consistantly making mistake after mistake.

this player i know very well. when he 3bet me pre i saw him on a range that was AA-JJ and AK or AQ. when i hit my TPTK i knew for sure i was behind to premium pairs but i called the flop knowing he has AK and AQ doing a cbet that gets rid of small pairs, on the turn i was a bit worried but i saw it like a polar rised bet really he is either holding a overpair or he is bluffing with overcards to get rid of any pocket pair i floated.

1jaxonray1	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£8.29
reg	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£40.25
	Your hole cards	A J
craigcu12	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£38.59
1jaxonray1	Fold
reg	Raise		£1.70	£2.60	£38.55
craigcu12	Call		£1.30	£3.90	£37.29
Flop
		4 J 6
reg	Bet		£3.20	£7.10	£35.35
craigcu12	Call		£3.20	£10.30	£34.09
Turn
		9
reg	Bet		£10.20	£20.50	£25.15
craigcu12	Call		£10.20	£30.70	£23.89
River
		3
reg	Check
craigcu12	Check
reg	Show	A Q
craigcu12	Show	A J
craigcu12	Win	Pair of Jacks	£29.16		£53.05

craigcu12

people like the villian above i have a good reading of already and we do occur regularly on tables, i already have a good reading of him so really i'm not bothered if he folds so will happily bet aggressively.

the thing about unknowns is they are not yet known to me, so the question is, do i need to give these opponents more respect and be aiming for show down more that anything?

Donttelmum	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£25.06
woody3569	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£19.80
	Your hole cards	A A
unknown	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£71.35
craigcu12	Raise		£1.80	£2.70	£20.84
mattynicks	Fold
Bunker180	Fold
Donttelmum	Fold
woody3569	Fold
unknown	Call		£1.20	£3.90	£70.15
Flop
		2 Q J
unknown	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£1.80	£5.70	£19.04
unknown	Call		£1.80	£7.50	£68.35
Turn
		7
unknown	Check
craigcu12	Check
River
		A
unknown	Check
craigcu12	Bet		£3.80	£11.30	£15.24
unknown	Raise		£11.35	£22.65	£57.00
craigcu12	All-in		£15.24	£37.89	£0.00
unknown	Call		£7.69	£45.58	£49.31
unknown	Show	J J
craigcu12	Show	A A
craigcu12	Win	Three Aces	£43.78		£43.78

craigcu12	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£46.53
x	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£20.89
	Your hole cards	K K
Donttelmum	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		£0.50	£0.80	£46.03
x	Call		£0.40	£1.20	£20.49
Flop
		2 7 J
craigcu12	Bet		£0.90	£2.10	£45.13
x	Raise		£1.80	£3.90	£18.69
craigcu12	Call		£0.90	£4.80	£44.23
Turn
		9
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£2.40	£7.20	£16.29
craigcu12	Call		£2.40	£9.60	£41.83
River
		A
craigcu12	Check
x	Bet		£4.80	£14.40	£11.49
craigcu12	All-in		£41.83	£56.23	£0.00
x	All-in		£11.49	£67.72	£0.00
craigcu12	Unmatched bet		£25.54	£42.18	£25.54
craigcu12	Show	K K
x	Show	5 6
x	Win	Flush to the Ace	£40.38		£40.38

craigcu12	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£19.70
dev25	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£18.08
	Your hole cards	2 2
c	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£20.15
suedehead7	Fold
Donttelmum	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£0.50	£1.40	£19.20
dev25	Call		£0.40	£1.80	£17.68
Flop
		A 9 2
craigcu12	Bet		£0.90	£2.70	£18.30
dev25	Fold
c	Call		£0.90	£3.60	£19.25
Turn
		Q
craigcu12	Bet		£3.60	£7.20	£14.70
c	Raise		£7.20	£14.40	£12.05
craigcu12	Call		£3.60	£18.00	£11.10
River
		A
craigcu12	Check
c	Bet		£11.40	£29.40	£0.65
craigcu12	All-in		£11.10	£40.50	£0.00
c	Unmatched bet		£0.30	£40.20	£0.95
craigcu12	Show	2 2
c	Show	Q Q
c	Win	Full House, Queens and Aces	£38.40		£39.3

1jaxonray1	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£91.89
dantb10	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£30.33
	Your hole cards	A J
b	Raise		£0.90	£1.35	£28.46
Chans	Fold
5toneFace	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£0.90	£2.25	£44.85
1jaxonray1	Fold
dantb10	Fold
Flop
		8 2 7
b	Bet		£1.50	£3.75	£26.96
craigcu12	Call		£1.50	£5.25	£43.35
Turn
		5
b	Check
craigcu12	Check
River
		8
b	Bet		£3.94	£9.19	£23.02
craigcu12	Raise		£11.18	£20.37	£32.17
b	Call		£7.24	£27.61	£15.78
craigcu12	Show	A J
b	Show	A 9
b	Win	Flush to the Ace	£26.22		£42.00

craigcu12

what i do consider most important of all is getting an idea once and for all on how they all play monsters and draws.

how long should i spend analyzing my hand history?

Lambert180

Hand 1 makes no sense....

He 3bets, you put him on JJ+ or AQ/AK so you decided to call the 3bet with AJ, a hand which is crushed by 100% of his range. The point of putting people on a range is so you can make good decisions... if 100% of their range crushes you, you fold.

Against randoms, I'd generally assume they are bad in some way, keep an eye on them. Randoms often call too much/too wide. At first it's gonna be basic but it all helps...

If they limp/call tons, then they are loose and passive. Therefore when they raise postflop, it probably means they've got the world... or at least what they think the world is which will usually be at least 2pr+. Don't fall into the trap of thinking 'nah they can't have a straight cos you need 47 to make a straight'. They're gonna play face up so if it looks like they've got it, they have, and they're limp/calling SO wide that I wouldn't rule out many (any?) hands pre.

So much to say but I'm tired atm.

seanallen

3rd hand(bluff shoving Kings) - Sometimes before I bluff shove rivers I press all in, but before actually going through with it look to see what price I'm giving him on making the call. Normally if it's say about 2/1 or better I give up on the idea. People generally take there pot odds with 2pair or better I've found (him betting river weights him more toward sets/ flushes also I think).

Just a general thing about playing more random/unknown players, the thing I tend to do is play a lot more straightforward versus them for maybe two or three orbits until I feel I've got a bit of an idea of what they're like. Could be we're quite similar as I seem to struggle a lot with GTO(all you can do versus complete unknowns), but I really enjoy trying to figure people out and start to feel more and more comfortable the longer they're sat there.

craigcu12

hand 1. knowing they will have good equity would hands like 109s 87s be still worth calling or should my aim be to make him get more wider preflop and fold my own hands more frequently?

hand 4 i did the donk bet on the flop because an A on the flop got me thinking right away he was going to Ch as i expected him to be overly worried of a call to make the cbet with weaker hands and as for Ax he will be playing them deceptive. when he min raised me on the turn i saw myself facing either two pair or a set. his raise preflop made it clear he has Ax two pairs or pocket pairs and now i see a second A come on the river and wonder could i have actually folded?
I did say in the chat box prior to calling "bet it's AQ"
the only TP i see doing a raise on turn is AK overall the river give it all because now i saw AK the only hand i'm beating, what i see myself loosing to is AQ, AA, QQ and 99 maybe A9 (although i think that would limp pre)