What are the rules here?

BeesHoney

Home cash game. Two left on the river, player 1 (1^st to act) & player 2(last to act).

Player 1 Bets

Player 2 Snap Calls

 

 

Usually, the last aggressor shows first. However, player 2 was happy with their hand. Player 2 decides to show before player 1 has a chance. Player 1 sees he/she is beat and attempts to muck. Player 2 requests to see what player 1 had saying the last aggressor must show. Player 1 argues he/she is beat and doesn’t have to show.

So, does player 1 have to show here?

 

I’ve seen some people say player 1 can muck here as it’s an info game and you shouldn’t give away any. Also argued player 2 acted out of turn and so player 2 is in the wrong. (I don’t think this is the case. Wouldn’t there be a lot accusations of slowrolling if this was true?)

I’ve seen others say player 1 has to show if any player at the table requests and this is to prevent cheating.

I thought player 1 should show in this situation. If player 2 had waited for player 1 to show, I'm sure player 1 would've been somewhat annoyed that player 2 never showed quicker (due to the strength of player 2's hand). If this is the case, player 1 should show their losing hand whether it was a bluff or thin value gone wrong.

What I'm trying to say is, if player 2 was slow, player 1 would've said show quicker. In this situation that is what player 2 did to prevent being slow, so surely player 1 should show. He should probably be showing as soon as the chips go over the line and the hand is over?

Slykllist

Cards speak, if player 2 shows, player 1 can muck his cards face down.

If player 2 chooses not to show, technically he can ask player 1 to show first, although this would make him a massive knob!

BeesHoney

In Response to Re: What are the rules here?:

Cards speak, if player 2 shows, player 1 can muck his cards face down. If player 2 chooses not to show, technically he can ask player 1 to show first, although this would make him a massive knob!
Posted by Slykllist

Haha

Cheers for clearing that up for me

Lambert180

This is a home game, full of I assume mates? It's supposed to be fun innit, even if it's not strictly to the rules, just show the hand obv and keep the game civil

oynutter

Sort it out man! ---Get the rules wrong in a home cash game, you could win someone's wife for flop sake!

BeesHoney

In Response to Re: What are the rules here?:

This is a home game, full of I assume mates? It's supposed to be fun innit, even if it's not strictly to the rules, just show the hand obv and keep the game civil
Posted by Lambert180

Yh, we're all good friends. I'm the most experienced and I'm a fish so you could imagine the standard haha! In the end he did show the failed bluff and on to the next hand we went...no further disagreements. I agree with keeping it fun and civil!

Cheers for the reply

BeesHoney

In Response to Re: What are the rules here?:

Sort it out man! ---Get the rules wrong in a home cash game, you could win someone's wife for flop sake!
Posted by oynutter

Haha, if any of us had one