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Hi all yesterday i was selected as one of the 10 to feature on total player but i did not make it to top 3. I submitted my hands for the mentors to analyse but i was a little disappointed at the way Ed Giddins portrayed the way i played. Maybe my description of how i played the hand was not detailed enough so what's your opinion,
Got 77 so i raise pre flop, i raise big as i do most of the time when i have a pair in the hand, i do this for 2 reasons, 1. In my opinion you are already ahead when dealt a pair, and 2. If the whole table fold well then i have made the blinds. As Ed said on the show last night, winning a small pot is better than loosing a large amount of your stack if you don't get the draw you need.
Anyway i get 1 caller and the flop comes 7 10 2. i've hit trips and the only thing that can beat me at the moment is if the other player has 10 10. I place a bet, much smaller than my initial raise, i want the other player to call and stay in the pot and by reducing my bet i hoping the other player will think maybe i did'nt get the cards i wanted. She calls without hesitation, i think at the point ed said alarm bells should be ringing but like i said im still in top position as far as im concerned. The turn comes a J so again unless she has 10 10 or J J in her hand im in front. i raise my bet slightly and im called again. I think at this point Ed said the was i played the flop and turn with betting was good but that i had played it that was without realising, i had realised exactly what i was doing, i knew the other players style well as we had been in heads up a lot through the tourny. So any how the river comes another J so i raise my bet again to which the other player goes all in, now ok she could have had a bigger full house than me but would i not have seen a re raise when she hit 2 pair or a re raise when she hit trips with either 10's or indeed with J's which would now give her 4 of a kind. Any way i call her all in bet because like i said oi knew this player and her style through the game had been check call, check call, all in and i was sure i was just being bluffed of the pot. I win with 7's over J's and if my memory serves me she had A3.
Now i don't know if any of you saw the show last night but i dont think my play was represented fairly in fact to me it looked like he thought i had no clue what i was doing lol lol.
Am i being daft or did i deserve a better analysis on that hand?
Got 77 so i raise pre flop, i raise big as i do most of the time when i have a pair in the hand, i do this for 2 reasons, 1. In my opinion you are already ahead when dealt a pair, and 2. If the whole table fold well then i have made the blinds. As Ed said on the show last night, winning a small pot is better than loosing a large amount of your stack if you don't get the draw you need.
Anyway i get 1 caller and the flop comes 7 10 2. i've hit trips and the only thing that can beat me at the moment is if the other player has 10 10. I place a bet, much smaller than my initial raise, i want the other player to call and stay in the pot and by reducing my bet i hoping the other player will think maybe i did'nt get the cards i wanted. She calls without hesitation, i think at the point ed said alarm bells should be ringing but like i said im still in top position as far as im concerned. The turn comes a J so again unless she has 10 10 or J J in her hand im in front. i raise my bet slightly and im called again. I think at this point Ed said the was i played the flop and turn with betting was good but that i had played it that was without realising, i had realised exactly what i was doing, i knew the other players style well as we had been in heads up a lot through the tourny. So any how the river comes another J so i raise my bet again to which the other player goes all in, now ok she could have had a bigger full house than me but would i not have seen a re raise when she hit 2 pair or a re raise when she hit trips with either 10's or indeed with J's which would now give her 4 of a kind. Any way i call her all in bet because like i said oi knew this player and her style through the game had been check call, check call, all in and i was sure i was just being bluffed of the pot. I win with 7's over J's and if my memory serves me she had A3.
Now i don't know if any of you saw the show last night but i dont think my play was represented fairly in fact to me it looked like he thought i had no clue what i was doing lol lol.
Am i being daft or did i deserve a better analysis on that hand?
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Sounds like you had a raw deal, but as I said I didnt watch it
Yeah, he was a bit critical. You have to write ong and detailed expanations or the analysts assume you are just guessing.
to be honest i thought you did very very well to get the opponent to shove all his chips in with a high on that board
your bet sizing throughout was ust about perfect and you left enough at the end to entice the all in shove.
well played imo
Ed seemed to be pretty positive about your bet sizes, and yes maybe he didn't give you credit for your river betsize. The key when sending hands in is you need to put a lengthy analysis about your hand and what your thinking at every point. If you said you were hoping to induce the shove on the river he would understand it.
I think the reason Ed said you played it "Ok" instead of really well, was simply because you had a full house. It kicked off a bit last week because all the low staked players sent in hands where they flopped the nuts vs 2nd nuts which takes no skill to get the money in. If in your analysis you said, "This is a hand where I hit it really strong but this is representing my betting skills rather than my reading the other player and managed to get my oppo all in with A high vs a fullhouse."
the two underbets post flop were perfect and he did mention the opponent had it in him to call very light and then all in bluff
i say leave this comp to the good players and good luck to them all
Congratulations on that and better luck if the opportunity comes again.
Usually with 77, you're either a small favourite or a massive dog. There are often better times to raise it up.
(And I say this as someone who's played with you and respects your game a lot.
PS: I've never made the last 50 in Ed's lists, never mind the top 10!)
I don't think Ed was being critical of you, the hand was nice and you played it well. You must have done well to make the top 10 and that is a great achievement but in my opinion to make the top 3 you have to show yourself off and make an impression.
Obviously it is easy for me to say as one of the players picked, but I tried to send in hands where it showed me thinking as a player and making a good move that most other players would not think of doing. I never even thought of sending in a hand where I flopped the nuts or in your case a set.
In my opinion it is easy to play these hands, you cannot be worried about a higher set and perhaps on the turn the fact he might have 89 is in the back of your mind - but you're still calling with your set. Yes you read your opponent and played well - but if someone else was playing the hand would the outcome have been much different? The hand was good - but not spectacular and that's probably why Ed wasn't too excited about it.
Anyway keep going - I am sure you will get another chance.
Nick.
In Response to Re: total player:
As i said i will never claim to be a great poker i just wanted the general opinion on the hand shown. All your points ae fair and i will take them on board should i ever get a similar opportunity. Many congrats again on being picked.
i was put forward as a nominee from the low level section ,,now i might be wrong but dooohhh and sharksbyte got through from the low level players,,i might be wrong but im sure 2 play higher stakes mostly which for me is a little disapointing