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Wonder if anyone can help with this.Blinds 25p/50. Last hand of the night. Player 1 under the gun goes all in for 160 pounds and says he has AK.He actually has AQ. Player 2 next to act goes all in for 100 pounds and says he has aces.He does have aces.2 people still to act who end up folding. BUT. An argument starts saying if player 1 or player 2 actually have what they say they have then their hand is dead as 2 players still to act.Your answers wud very much be appreciated.
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Generally accepted card room rules are:
Players may not verbally disclose the contents of their hand.
Players in hands cannot reveal their hole cards to convince other players to fold; if so, the player's cards are considered a dead hand.
Player 1 has not disclosed the content of his hand. Player 2 has - given they haven't actually shown them to the table the "reveal" hasn't happened until the other players yet to act muck and the 2 live players show their cards.
At that point I would say AA should have been declared dead.
Only enforceable if the rules were written down at the venue - there is no "official" single source rule book. Poker doesn't have a governing body).
In a home game - then good luck sorting it out - hope you can all stay friends!
In my experiece of years of playing in casino cash games the dealers don't enforce those rules and most will be oblivious to them anyway, hell some even have to ask us to tell them what to do. I imagine that any player who called the floor management over to intervene in such situations would not make themselves very popular. It it were in a big tournament where serious cash was involved I can see that the rules would be enforced, but not at small stakes.
73 VVerbal Declaration of Hand/Action In or Out of Turn 73.1
A verbal declaration as to the content of a player’s hand is NOT binding - 'Cards speak for themselves.'
73.2
Any player intentionally 'miscalling' his/her hand will be penalized.
Dealers are obligated to inform the floor staff if this happen.
73.3
'Conditional statements' regarding future action are non-standard and strongly discouraged, although they may be binding and/or subject to penalty at the Tournament Director's discretion (i.e. "if-then" statements such as "if you bet, then I will raise").
Please See Rule 52.4 for further details of a "Declaration of action OUT OF TURN".
TDA
12: Declarations, Cards Speak at Showdown
Cards speak to determine the winner. Verbal declarations of hand value are not binding at showdown.
However, deliberately miscalling a hand may be penalized.
Any player, in the hand or not, should speak up if he thinks a mistake is being made in the reading of hands.
51: Conditional Statements
Conditional statements regarding future action are non-standard and strongly discouraged; they may be binding and/or subject to penalty at TD’s discretion.
Example: “if – then” statements such as "If you bet, then I will raise”
73 Verbal Declaration of Hand/Action In or Out of Turn
73.1
A verbal declaration as to the content of a player’s hand is NOT binding - 'Cards speak for themselves.'
Any player intentionally 'miscalling' his/her hand will be penalized.
Dealers are obligated to inform the floor staff if this happen.
'Conditional statements' regarding future action are non-standard and strongly discouraged, although they may be binding and/or subject to penalty at the Tournament Director's discretion (i.e. "if-then" statements such as "if you bet, then I will raise").
Please See Rule 52.4 for further details of a "Declaration of action OUT OF TURN".
12: Declarations, Cards Speak at Showdown
Cards speak to determine the winner. Verbal declarations of hand value are not binding at showdown.
However, deliberately miscalling a hand may be penalized.
Any player, in the hand or not, should speak up if he thinks a mistake is being made in the reading of hands.
51: Conditional Statements
Conditional statements regarding future action are non-standard and strongly discouraged; they may be binding and/or subject to penalty at TD’s discretion.
Example: “if – then” statements such as "If you bet, then I will raise”