some plo8 hands.

Chris_Mc

recently took too playing some plo8, and find myself reallt enjoying it although learning still every game, will post a few hands below and see if theres room for improvement which im pretty sure there is, mainly though are these the types of hands I should be playing,

1st one is from the plo8 mtt tonight my exit hand.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
onejohnb	Small blind		75.00	75.00	3362.50
Chris_Mc	Big blind		150.00	225.00	2250.00
	Your hole cards	J Q A 4
xxx	Raise		525.00	750.00	5297.50
Skys_Limit	Fold
watson5	Fold
shrug	Fold
onejohnb	Fold
Chris_Mc	Raise		1500.00	2250.00	750.00
xxx	Raise		4500.00	6750.00	797.50
Chris_Mc	All-in		750.00	7500.00	0.00
xxx	Unmatched bet		2625.00	4875.00	3422.50
Chris_Mc	Show	J Q A 4
xxx	Show	10 K J K
Flop
		K 9 8
Turn
		A
River
		J
xxx	Win high	Three Kings	4875.00		8297.50
	No qualifying low hand

the next two are my biggest losing hands from 2 DYM's earlier

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxx	Small blind		300.00	300.00	651.62
Chris_Mc	Big blind		600.00	900.00	3976.56
	Your hole cards	Q A K J
stewie7	Fold
raygrayte	Fold
xxx	All-in		651.62	1551.62	0.00
Chris_Mc	Call		351.62	1903.24	3624.94
xxx	Show	2 A 2 10
Chris_Mc	Show	Q A K J
Flop
		7 4 3
Turn
		4
River
		5
xxx	Win high	Straight to the 5	951.62		951.62
xxx	Win low	5-low	951.62

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
stewie7	Small blind		25.00	25.00	2720.00
raygrayte	Big blind		50.00	75.00	1895.00
	Your hole cards	4 4 7 5
tmdvdemz11	Fold
xxxx	Call		50.00	125.00	1882.50
serrant	Call		50.00	175.00	1272.50
Chris_Mc	Call		50.00	225.00	2140.00
stewie7	Call		25.00	250.00	2695.00
raygrayte	Check
Flop
		6 J 4
stewie7	Check
raygrayte	Check
xxxx	Check
serrant	Check
Chris_Mc	Bet		187.50	437.50	1952.50
stewie7	Fold
raygrayte	Fold
xxxx	Call		187.50	625.00	1695.00
serrant	Fold
Turn
		5
xxx	Check
Chris_Mc	Check
River
		10
xxx	Bet		625.00	1250.00	1070.00
Chris_Mc	Call		625.00	1875.00	1327.50
xxx	Show	A A 3 2
Chris_Mc	Muck	4 4 7 5
xxx	Win high	Straight to the 6	937.50		2007.50
xxx	Win low	6-low	937.50

and a few of the bigger hands that won... somehow?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
raygrayte	Small blind		200.00	200.00	2137.71
tmdvdemz11	Big blind		400.00	600.00	3527.61
	Your hole cards	A A 9 2
Chris_Mc	Raise		1400.00	2000.00	538.28
stewie7	Fold
raygrayte	Fold
tmdvdemz11	Raise		2000.00	4000.00	1527.61
Chris_Mc	All-in		538.28	4538.28	0.00
tmdvdemz11	Unmatched bet		461.72	4076.56	1989.33
tmdvdemz11	Show	Q A 3 5
Chris_Mc	Show	A A 9 2
Flop
		7 10 J
Turn
		4
River
		8
Chris_Mc	Win high	Pair of Aces	2038.28		2038.28
Chris_Mc	Win low	8-low	2038.28

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Macacgirl1	Small blind		200.00	200.00	2600.00
enabler145	Big blind		400.00	600.00	1580.00
	Your hole cards	5 K A 3
w4rlock	Fold
Chris_Mc	Raise		1400.00	2000.00	171.25
johnneil	Fold
Macacgirl1	Fold
enabler145	All-in		1580.00	3580.00	0.00
Chris_Mc	All-in		171.25	3751.25	0.00
enabler145	Unmatched bet		408.75	3342.50	408.75
enabler145	Show	4 10 K K
Chris_Mc	Show	5 K A 3
Flop
		5 3 6
Turn
		8
River
		9
Chris_Mc	Win high	Two Pairs, 5s and 3s	1671.26		1671.26
Chris_Mc	Win low	8-low	1671.24

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
enabler145	Small blind		300.00	300.00	108.74
w4rlock	Big blind		600.00	900.00	2806.26
	Your hole cards	7 A 8 K
Chris_Mc	Raise		1200.00	2100.00	2142.50
johnneil	Fold
Macacgirl1	Fold
enabler145	All-in		108.74	2208.74	0.00
w4rlock	Call		600.00	2808.74	2206.26
Flop
		A K A
w4rlock	Check
Chris_Mc	Bet		600.00	3408.74	1542.50
w4rlock	Fold
Chris_Mc	Unmatched bet		600.00	2808.74	2142.50
enabler145	Show	4 9 4 2
Chris_Mc	Show	7 A 8 K
Turn
		J
River
		6
Chris_Mc	Win high	Full House, Aces and Kings	2808.74		4951.24
	No qualifying low hand	Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance tmdvdemz11 Small blind   75.00 75.00 2689.99 10014010 Big blind   150.00 225.00 4195.00   Your hole cards Q Q 2 3       Chris_Mc Call   150.00 375.00 2066.26 stewie7 Fold         raygrayte Fold         tmdvdemz11 Fold         10014010 Check         Flop     J 4 A       10014010 Check         Chris_Mc Bet   281.25 656.25 1785.01 10014010 Call   281.25 937.50 3913.75 Turn     5       10014010 Check         Chris_Mc Check         River     3       10014010 Check         Chris_Mc Bet   937.50 1875.00 847.51 10014010 Call   937.50 2812.50 2976.25 Chris_Mc Show Q Q 2 3       10014010 Muck K A 6 10       Chris_Mc Win high Flush to the Ace 1406.26   2253.77 Chris_Mc Win low 5-low 1406.24   3660.01

im not asking for anyone too analyse every hand, just curious if im heading in the right direction, and should I be doing much different.

cheers.

Talon

  Try to post less hands first of all. 2 at a time i would say. 

Saying that. i will do the first 2 for you

 

hand 1. Snap fold preflop. It is an ok hand but the third heart weakens it quite a bit. But looking at the chipstacks involved the three other people in the hand have less than you in total so no point in you really getting involved too much. You have an easy cash here so take it by folding any marginal spots

 hand 2: Completely standard call. Nothing wrong. Only mistake possible in this hand would be to fold preflop

Chris_Mc

In Response to Re: some plo8 hands.:

  Try to post less hands first of all. 2 at a time i would say.  Saying that. i will do the first 2 for you   hand 1. Snap fold preflop. It is an ok hand but the third heart weakens it quite a bit. But looking at the chipstacks involved the three other people in the hand have less than you in total so no point in you really getting involved too much. You have an easy cash here so take it by folding any marginal spots  hand 2: Completely standard call. Nothing wrong. Only mistake possible in this hand would be to fold preflop
Posted by Talon

cheers talon.

Knowing i have 3 hearts in the first hand i thought was ok because of A4h and AQh

Both connect. But ill keep that in mind. And the second hand wasnt too sure about because im looking too hold the low cards aswell as high.

will post less next time

Tikay10

Hi Chris,

As Talon says (he is a fine Omaha judge) please post less hands at a time, it makes it hard to reply to so many, but I'll have a bash.

Tikay10

Hand # 1.

Your A-Q-J-4 v K-K-J-10.

I'll take your hand over his all day & night, & twice on Sunday.

Everything else is irrelevant, including who won on this occasion. A-Q-J-4 is MILES more playable than K-K-J-10. K-K-J-10 is really tough to play on a low flop.

We want, ideally, COMBO hands (High AND Low) & A-Q-J-4 is a pretty good combo hand.
 
Leaving aside monster premiiums like A-A-2-3, the Combo Hands we want to go to war with all contain.....

A-K, or A-Q

A-2, A-3, A-4.

So almost any combo that includes A-K-Q-2-3-4 is good enough to go to war with. We prefer A-K to A-Q, & we prefer A-2 to A-3 or A-4, but between the High & the Low, A-Q-J-4 is very playable.

The problem with the K-K-J-10 hand is that, so very often, he is only playing for half. In such cases, if we have the low locked up, we can put a ton of betting pressure on him, & unless he has the abso nuts, he cant call - in fact he'd be MAD to call unless he has the abso nut high, & even then he only gets half. 

Try & think of those spots where, with the low locked up, we can put pressure on high-only hands.

Tikay10

Hand # 2

Your A-K-Q-J v his A-2-2-10.

We have a terrible PLO8 hand here, we want his hand over ours all day & night, especially after that flop which abso killed any chance we had of scooping.

Try to play SCOOP hands.  As a scoop hand, we were dead on the flop here, so we risked our tourney for nothing.

Talon

  In order to save any confusion chris. Tikay and i despite saying pretty much the opposite in both of those hands are talking from totally different aspects.

In both hands tikay is talking about the relative merits of the hands and how well they play in which respect he is totally correct.

 Whereas my replies on those 2 hands were entirely based on relative chipstacks and situation within the dym.

 So hand 1: your hand plays better than his and had good scoop potential, but 3 players have by my reckoning about 1000 chips between them. So for me good chip management says fold

Hand 2: Doesnt play too well and is only playing for the Hi pot. But is on the bubble and only requires about half a BB to call when you are nicely chipped. So that is why for me it is a standard call.

 This is the key to playing these game. The knowledge of how good your hand is and how well it plays as well as chip management and risk avoidance skills.

Tikay10

Yes, sorry, I'm just talking "hand values", as I assume Chris is fine with MTT & DYM strategy.

Tikay10

Hand # 3

4-4-5-7

4-4-5-7?

WHAT?!

Bin it, don't even THINK about playing that sort of garbage, ever. IMO, of course. I could easily be persuaded to take a flop with that in PLO, but in PLO8, no thank you.