PLO8 mtt F/T

VespaPX

Pot committed?
Had to go with it?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxxx	Small blind		800.00	800.00	35157.56
VespaPX	Big blind		1600.00	2400.00	22037.44
	Your hole cards	Q 2 3 A
Smithy29	Fold
xxxx	Call		800.00	3200.00	34357.56
VespaPX	Raise		3200.00	6400.00	18837.44
xxxx	Call		3200.00	9600.00	31157.56
Flop
		Q 8 6
xxxx	Check
VespaPX	Bet		9600.00	19200.00	9237.44
xxxx	Call		9600.00	28800.00	21557.56
Turn
		10
xxxx	Check
VespaPX	All-in		9237.44	38037.44	0.00
xxxx	Call		9237.44	47274.88	12320.12
xxxx	Show	8 5 7 7
VespaPX	Show	Q 2 3 A
River
		K
xxxx	Win high	Flush to the King	47274.88		59595.00
	No qualifying low hand

Talon

As played you were pot comitted and had to go for it.

 But here is n interesting thing for you to think about.

You have a drawing hand and it needs to flop big but you also want to be able to get all your chips over the line.

Fortunately your opponent gave you that chance by limping. Being pot limit the bets are restricted, so 2bb then 6bb then 18bb. So all the time in the world to do it only having 14bb back. So i think the best way to proceed here is to take the cheap flop in position. You can pot the flop reassess the turn and make your decision on the river.

 Though i have no real problems with your play here this way you can control the size of the pot and whether or not to get them in a lot easier

VespaPX

In Response to Re: PLO8 mtt F/T:

As played you were pot comitted and had to go for it.  But here is n interesting thing for you to think about. You have a drawing hand and it needs to flop big but you also want to be able to get all your chips over the line. Fortunately your opponent gave you that chance by limping. Being pot limit the bets are restricted, so 2bb then 6bb then 18bb. So all the time in the world to do it only having 14bb back. So i think the best way to proceed here is to take the cheap flop in position. You can pot the flop reassess the turn and make your decision on the river.  Though i have no real problems with your play here this way you can control the size of the pot and whether or not to get them in a lot easier
Posted by Talon

Cheers Talon
Makes sense as usual
Still getting the hang of these mtt's.

TeddyBloat

Can he check flop here talon and hope to get to showdown?

He needs to dodge half the deck and can gain an advantage by seeing a turn and villains response.

Deeper id imagine checking flop would be bette as it lkmits the number of bets we can  face with a single pair hand, but at this depth im not sure.

He could fold to a PSB on turn or river here and be comfortable doing so, but doesnt have enough back now maybe?

Talon

In Response to Re: PLO8 mtt F/T:

Can he check flop here talon and hope to get to showdown? He needs to dodge half the deck and can gain an advantage by seeing a turn and villains response. Deeper id imagine checking flop would be bette as it lkmits the number of bets we can  face with a single pair hand, but at this depth im not sure. He could fold to a PSB on turn or river here and be comfortable doing so, but doesnt have enough back now maybe?
Posted by TeddyBloat

 I think checking the flop would be the worst possible action here. The hand has showdown potential at this point and most importantly the betting lead and position. A smaller bet on the flop would have been called and this would give us the chance get to the river before making final decision. By checking would leave opponent to start asking the questions and make it more expensive to get to the end of the hand.

 So maybe a half pot bet on the flop. Turn check and river fold in this situation. That bet would leave enough behind to bet pot but not committ to the hand

F_Ivanovic

I think with our hand a pot bet OTF is clearly best. We have the nut low draw and a decent chance of currently holding the best high hand but that could easily change on turn/river. Thus we really don't want to be playing this hand over 3 streets.

I don't play much PLO8 at all though so I don't know for sure. Pre-flop I'm unsure what's best too. Raising seems fine given we are IP but if we were OOP I'm not too sure. A lot of flops that we don't really like and are quite hard to play.

Tikay10

I think you played it fine, Mick.
 
I'm same as you here, pot it pre, then pot the flop. Cracking flop for our hand, too.

We are being a bit results orientated here, too - Villain CHECKED the flop, & we bet. So he may well have folded when we potted the flop, & that should be part of our thinking. More often that not we force a fold here.
 
I think you played it perfectly.

It matters not, of course, but Villain's pre-flop call with 5-7-7-8 was, shall we say, imaginative. His hand ranks around 3,000 of 5,000. The flop was as good as it gets for him though, an abso dream, so as played, he did right to check call.

Your hand pre-flop is a top 100 hand.

Blinds 800-1,600, so I am assuming this is quite deep in the Tourney, & we have about 15 Bigs. If we are not going to commit with this hand, we should not be playing PLO8, you gotta be happy to get it all-in here if you can.
 
We can get away from a really bad flop, but the flop was very good, it gave us nut low draw, top pair, & drawing to 2 pair or trips. 

The best hand & best play does not always win, but we should persist with playing correctly.