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Rigged Live Hand...

edited January 2015 in Poker Chat

An interesting live play quirk…

 

It’s a £1/£2 table. A couple of times I’d offhandedly mentioned I was going to squeeze when I found the right spot, but it hadn’t really been there. A while later there was a pre-flop raise to £8 in front of me followed by two callers. Just as I’m about to act the original raiser says: “good time for you to squeeze”, and I look down at pocket aces and say: all right then”. I raise to £24.

 

Fold, fold. Then a guy at the other end of the table, who heard the exchange shoves his entire stack of about £250. My first thought is that he thinks I’m light, so he’s squeezing me. I thought that would be it, but then he is called by someone else, for his whole stack of about £200. Now I am thinking that he thinks – like me – that the four-bet shove is a steal, so he is going to take the pot with what would appear to be a monster hand, but is possibly also nothing.

 

The original raiser and two callers fold, so it’s now on me.

 

I am sitting with about £220. I’m not really concerned about the first shove, because I do think he is pushing with air. It’s the second guy who has the obvious big hand… neither of us expected that.

 

Of course I call, but as I’m sitting there I’m reminded of the WSOP question – in the first hand, how many all-ins do you call with aces? I think my answer was two… and here I am about to call just that for about £650. Fine, it’s not the WSOP, but the principle is the same. I have to dodge more cards and my odds decrease with each subsequent player.

 

Cards over. Pocket jacks is the first shove. Pocket queens is the second. So as it turned out neither of them were bluffing or trying to out-think me. They were just playing their cards. The board was low, and I scooped the lot.

 

Afterwards I wondered how much of the squeeze talk (if any) factored into their decisions to shove rather than call my raise though. It’s something you obviously don’t get online and was perfectly timed by the original raiser. Seeing they had jacks and queens also makes me wonder if I overthink the average player’s motivation in a hand. Generally I am finding, at £1/£2, they play mostly straight up and down, with little nuance to their reasoning.

 

I’m beginning to enjoy live cash play these days ;)

Comments

  • edited January 2015
    So basically, you picked up AA when 2 other players had premium hands, slowrolled them a bit and scooped the pot on a low board.

    Really any need for the essay above?

    Should be in BBV as well ;)
  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Rigged Live Hand...:
    So basically, you picked up AA when 2 other players had premium hands, slowrolled them a bit and scooped the pot on a low board. Really any need for the essay above? Should be in BBV as well ;)
    Posted by hhyftrftdr
    Er... ;)

    It was more to do with the psychology of it all.

    Kinda.
  • edited January 2015
    lool loving life with aa if ya ever thinking of folding here u shouldnt be sat at the table 
  • edited January 2015
    Don't these 'action flops' only happen online?

    Probably should investigate the casino and arrest the dealer.
  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Rigged Live Hand...:
    . I’m not really concerned about the first shove, because I do think he is pushing with air. 
    Posted by Slipwater
    :D
  • edited January 2015
    The old classic I think this guy sitting at a live £1/£2 game is trying to out level me and it turns out there just playing their hand :) 

    If you had made a reasonable squeeze size in the first place this hand would have been pretty standard ;) 
  • edited January 2015
    The wsop question plays on the psychology of busting a 10k tounie in vegas first hand and no life-lines v the psychology of folding AA pre to a poker playere, not to mention the correct MTT strat of putting in 100's of BB's on a flip early in in a deep structured tournie.

    Cash you just get em in with great odds, and reload if you bust.
  • edited January 2015
    Someone can't shuffle. AA JJ QQ same hand live!
  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Rigged Live Hand...:
    The wsop question plays on the psychology of busting a 10k tounie in vegas first hand and no life-lines v the psychology of folding AA pre to a poker playere, not to mention the correct MTT strat of putting in 100's of BB's on a flip early in in a deep structured tournie. Cash you just get em in with great odds, and reload if you bust.
    Posted by TeddyBloat
    It was one of those times when I wasn't really feeling it.

    I absolutely expected to see a jack or a queen land on the board.
  • edited January 2015
    In Response to Re: Rigged Live Hand...:
    Someone can't shuffle. AA JJ QQ same hand live!
    Posted by The1stOfUs
    Ha!

    As it happens, "bad shuffling" is often blamed in these spots, but bad shuffling could not cause this.(Button moves, burn cards etc). 
     
    Anyway, an excuse to tell you about, possibly, the weirdest hand I ever saw in a "Live" game.
     
    We were playing a little comp at Gala Notts, Thewy was there too, this would be about 10 or 12 years ago.

    It was "self-deal" & I was the Dealer as it happens. 
     
    It's mid-stage, about 4 tables left from 10 starting Tables.

    Suddenly the betting goes nuts pre-flop, & no less than FIVE players get it all-in.
     
    And the five players (it was a 10 player table, as was the custom in those days) were all sat next to each other, seats 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5. 

    "On yer backs lads" I say.

    And they turn over these 5 hands..... 

    10-10

    J-J

    Q-Q

    K-K

    A-A

    Even more amazingly, the hands were in exactly that order.....

    Seat 1, 10-10

    Seat 2,  J-J

    Seat 3, Q-Q

    Seat 4, K-K

    Seat 5,  A-A

    What are the chances of that?

    Now A-A man is high fiving, but although he is favourite against each hand, he is only about a 40% shot to win, as he has to dodge a lot of sets.
     
    "Deal them nice & slow" they all say, for the sweat.

    OK, here we go lads, nice & slow....

    And the very first card was an Ace. BOOMIO says A-A man.
     
    It then went 5-2-4-3.....

    FIVE way chop!
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