Call or Fold?

VespaPX

From the mini Roller last night.

Both players had been very active.
X was opening a lot of hands.
Y was 3-betting every time they had the button, mostly with garbage from what i saw.
Was hoping to get Hu with X, but when they went all-in i wasn't sure what to do.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
VespaPX	Small blind		75.00	75.00	7717.50
MARYBOBBIN	Big blind		150.00	225.00	4610.00
	Your hole cards	J J
waller02	Fold
effelreed	Fold
x	Raise		300.00	525.00	5145.00
y	Raise		1050.00	1575.00	10920.00
VespaPX	Raise		3525.00	5100.00	4192.50
MARYBOBBIN	Fold
x	All-in		5145.00	10245.00	0.00
y	All-in		10920.00	21165.00	0.00

waller02

Personally I'm not 4betting pre here unless I'm happy to get it in.

Can/should you be 4betting pretty much half your stack and then folding?? I dunno, that's one for the better players to help with!

Gudge92

Depends on the avg and your own style really. alot of players like to get into races however if you think your a better player then that then its a fold

hhyftrftdr

Hmmmm, neither player seems concerned by the cold 4bet. I think we can just about 4bet fold here, but the sizing should be a tad smaller IMO regardless of if we are going with the hand or not.

F_Ivanovic

As Waller said... you can't 4-bet fold here because by doing so you're effectively turning your jacks into a bluff... and there are better hands to be 4-bet bluffing with.

FezioJr

You can't be 4-bet folding here for half of your stack. The only problem with your sizing is you're now committed to the pot which both other guys know and the fact they're both happy to get it in tells us our Js are likely behind.

We just have to hope they both have combos of AK/AQ

VespaPX

Thanks Guys

I did make the call

X had 1010
Y had AK

Flop Q52
Turn 3

Happy days :-)

River - 10 :-(

hhyftrftdr

In Response to Re: Call or Fold?:

Thanks Guys I did make the call X had 1010 Y had AK Flop Q52 Turn 3 Happy days :-) River - 10 :-(
Posted by VespaPX

Ha that's like the nut best you could have hoped for! unlucky sir.

Pkr_Girl

Fold, pocket Js aren't worth that kind of 4bet.

Did you ever find out what he was packing??

VespaPX

In Response to Re: Call or Fold?:

Fold, pocket Js aren't worth that kind of 4bet. Did you ever find out what he was packing??
Posted by Pkr_Girl

See 2 posts above