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200nl - deep...what would you do

CLIOKIDCLIOKID
edited January 2010 in Hold'em Poker Strategy
Last night I was playing at my local casino, bought in for £200, was sitting on about £500 at the time this hand arised.

The table was starting to empty as the night drew on and we were down to 5 handed.

Blinds had been straddled and UTG raised to £14. SB calls, I call with Qc9c.

Flop comes down:

QsTc6c

So, top pair and flushing, SB checks, i check, orig raiser bets £15, SB calls £15.

I check raise it to £60.

Orig raiser then pumps it up £100 more than my £60.

So pot is now £300, villain has me covered and I have about £430 I think it was and facing £100 to call into £300...

What would your action be in this spot?


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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited January 2010
    It's all in or fold.  You can never flat.

    I think its fair to say that he has us beat ATM, hopefully with AA/KK so we have more outs.  Worst case is he has AKcc.

    But yeah if we think that our trips/2pr/FD outs are good get it in IMO.  Also cos we are so deep there is a bit of fold equity, if he is a decent player and capable of folding overpairs....

    Although if you wanna lock up a profit/wait for a better spot when 200+BB deep that is understandable.
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited January 2010
    You are 250bb deep, covered, and you want to get it in with one pair and a non-nut flush draw? When you are this deep, raising this flop with your hand is only ever going to give you a world of hurt.

    Villains range is QQ/TT/66/QT/AKcc/KJcc/AJcc/bluffs (lol, 3 way bluffing here), because unless villain hates money 3-betting this flop with AA/KK/AQ this deep is not optimal play. Against this range, you are either coin flipping/slightly behind to AKcc, or crushed, drawing only to your flush draw vs QQ/TT/66.

    Considering that you have the 9c in your hand, and that a Jack, 8 or 7 on the turn improves the strength of your hand, AND taking the small flop bet, there is no other action in my opinion than flatting the flop and, to use an over-used phrase, 're-evaluating' the turn.
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID
    edited January 2010
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: 200nl - deep...what would you do:
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    Posted by CLIOKID
    A full and in depth reply Clio :P
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG
    edited January 2010
    In Response to 200nl - deep...what would you do:
    Last night I was playing at my local casino, bought in for £200, was sitting on about £500 at the time this hand arised. The table was starting to empty as the night drew on and we were down to 5 handed. Blinds had been straddled and UTG raised to £14. SB calls, I call with Qc9c. Flop comes down: QsTc6c So, top pair and flushing, SB checks, i check, orig raiser bets £15, SB calls £15. I check raise it to £60. Orig raiser then pumps it up £100 more than my £60. So pot is now £300, villain has me covered and I have about £430 I think it was and facing £100 to call into £300... What would your action be in this spot?
    Posted by CLIOKID

    I would like to know what you did!

    Its a tough one, but i probably wont get him to fold a better hand, so its a call to try to hit the turn or a fold for me. Why ruin a good session by gambling here with what could only be a few clean outs?

    To be honest i wouldnt have made up preflop, or check raised the flop. but there you go...

    safest option is to fold. If you miss your turn card its a waste of 100 quid.








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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2010
    his 3 bet looks like it wants to encourage a shove from a flushdraw, it should all depend on what you think of this player, i get the impression from how you explained the hand that you never called and prolly folded as it looks like he had the nut flush draw or a set, i think if you call a raise with qc9c and hit that flop what more was you looking for?
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID
    edited January 2010
    I decided to flat the £100, hoping for improvement on the turn...

    The turn came an 8 which gave me a double gutter as well as my flush draw and i shipped all in for £330 I think it was...

    I got called, villain holding QQ...

    River J to give me the straight and take down a nice pot.

    Look forward to the criticism i'll no doubt receive for the way I played this hand...

    :)
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: 200nl - deep...what would you do:
    In Response to Re: 200nl - deep...what would you do : A full and in depth reply Clio :P
    Posted by CoxyLboro
    I misread your original post and wrote a response to it, then realised I had misread your post, so I edited mine out to make me look less stupid!


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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: 200nl - deep...what would you do:
    In Response to 200nl - deep...what would you do : I would like to know what you did! Its a tough one, but i probably wont get him to fold a better hand, so its a call to try to hit the turn or a fold for me. Why ruin a good session by gambling here with what could only be a few clean outs? To be honest i wouldnt have made up preflop, or check raised the flop. but there you go... safest option is to fold. If you miss your turn card its a waste of 100 quid.
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    The game was about to break and was starting to get pretty wild to say the least, hence me wanting to see a flop wiith my Q9cc.

    The orig raiser had lost a couple of big pots previously where someone had bet out and he'd raised £100 on top and they shoved for 6/700 and he was folding, that happened twice.

    Thing is he is usually a very tight player and someone who I have a bit of history with!

    i wouldn't say i played the hand well at all, I was in the mood for a gamble tbh and it was 4:45am at the time....


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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2010
    i dont like calling the flop, even tho it could be the best play, as i said if you play them cards and hit that flop i think you have to go with the hand, as coxy says your have 50% or 30% half the time so id meet in the midd and say your gunna win this 40% of the time, im gunna get slated for this lol
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  • BrownnDogBrownnDog
    edited January 2010
    Fold flop
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  • UnknownUnknown
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: 200nl - deep...what would you do:
    Fold flop
    Posted by BrownnDog
    For £15? or to the £100 reraise?
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  • DeuceAK_47DeuceAK_47
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: 200nl - deep...what would you do:
    In Response to 200nl - deep...what would you do : I would like to know what you did! Its a tough one, but i probably wont get him to fold a better hand, so its a call to try to hit the turn or a fold for me. Why ruin a good session by gambling here with what could only be a few clean outs? To be honest i wouldnt have made up preflop, or check raised the flop. but there you go... safest option is to fold. If you miss your turn card its a waste of 100 quid.
    Posted by GREGHOGG

    +1
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  • LadyFingrsLadyFingrs
    edited January 2010
    Check raising was awful.

    c/c and theres really no other good option against a random.

    I shove now though.
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: 200nl - deep...what would you do:
    Check raising was awful. c/c and theres really no other good option against a random. I shove now though.
    Posted by LadyFingrs
    I totally agree the C/R was awful, put myself in a horrible spot.

    TBH I expected to take down the pot with the bet and just put myself in all sorts of trouble.

    I'm not used to playing so deep whilst also being covered so lesson learnt for next time not to do that unless i'm really wanting to commit my stack.

    I just hate to think what I'd have done had I not picked up my 6 extra outs on the turn - lol.
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