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Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this?

SolarCarroSolarCarro
edited January 2010 in Hold'em Poker Strategy
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Villain Small blind  25.00 25.00 3395.00
SolarCarro Big blind  50.00 75.00 1850.00
  Your hole cards
  • 7
  • 7
     
geoffm3 Raise  100.00 175.00 2050.00
Madaxeman7 Fold     
Kobe Fold     
A1_SCADGE Fold     
VillainCall  75.00 250.00 3320.00
SolarCarro Call  50.00 300.00 1800.00
Flop
   
  • 7
  • 10
  • A
     
VillainBet  150.00 450.00 3170.00
SolarCarro Call  150.00 600.00 1650.00
geoffm3 Call  150.00 750.00 1900.00
Turn
   
  • 3
     
VillainCheck     
SolarCarro Bet  100.00 850.00 1550.00
geoffm3 Call  100.00 950.00 1800.00
Villain Raise  200.00 1150.00 2970.00
SolarCarro Raise  725.00 1875.00 825.00
geoffm3 Fold     
Villain Call  625.00 2500.00 2345.00
River
   
  • 4
     
VillainAll-in  2345.00 4845.00 0.00
SolarCarro All-in  825.00 5670.00 0.00
Villain Unmatched bet  1520.00 4150.00 1520.00
Villain Show
  • 5
  • 2
   
SolarCarro Show
  • 7
  • 7
   
Villain Win Straight to the 5 4150.00  5670.00
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro
    edited January 2010
    To explain my thinking, it is very early stages of the open, although it is min raised before me I am happy to see a flop hiding my potential strength, post flop after a bet of 150 I feel I am able to continue to hide my strength, once I am forced to lead out I get min re-raised so I feel the re-re raise to 750 eliminates any rubbish, I get a call from a gutshot and flush draw seeker , he explained he was mixing up his play but how can he call 750 on a gutshot / flush draw or did I give the odds?

    Anyway he hits and the money goes in, can I play it better and can I get away from it?

    Any advice?

    Dave
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2010
    why would you want to get away from this hand?
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2010
    your 100 bet on the turn was giving them 8-1 to call there is two straights and a flush on that board, you have to set the odds a bit better even more so as you have a 3 way pot, make them pay a good price  to outdraw you
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  • mr_mbromr_mbro
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this?:
    To explain my thinking, it is very early stages of the open, although it is min raised before me I am happy to see a flop hiding my potential strength, post flop after a bet of 150 I feel I am able to continue to hide my strength, once I am forced to lead out I get min re-raised so I feel the re-re raise to 750 eliminates any rubbish, I get a call from a gutshot and flush draw seeker , he explained he was mixing up his play but how can he call 750 on a gutshot / flush draw or did I give the odds? Anyway he hits and the money goes in, can I play it better and can I get away from it? Any advice? Dave
    Posted by SolarCarro

    Knowing the way you play m8 im surprised you played it at all lol.
    Yes, your turn bet gave the price to the others but imo, your reraise shows massive strength and he was wrong to call for the gutshot as you were not giving him the correct odds.

    col
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2010
    he had a flush draw too, his reraise gave him 3/1 to hit it plus the implied odds makes it the rite call
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  • mr_mbromr_mbro
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this?:
    he had a flush draw too, his reraise gave him 3/1 to hit it plus the implied odds makes it the rite call
    Posted by N1CK
    I agree with the implied odds on hitting the flush but not the gutshot straight draw. I may be wrong but he has 11 outs on the turn, leaving him a 22% chance(roughly),approx 4.5 to 1. I still its the wrong call, the only thing is Daves chip stack, not enough to do to much damage.

    col
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this? : I agree with the implied odds on hitting the flush but not the gutshot straight draw. I may be wrong but he has 11 outs on the turn, leaving him a 22% chance(roughly),approx 4.5 to 1. I still its the wrong call, the only thing is Daves chip stack, not enough to do to much damage. col
    Posted by mr_mbro
    yes he did have 10 outs which is a 22% chance, he has to call 625 to win 1875 + 825,
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  • SolarCarroSolarCarro
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this? : yes he did have 10 outs which is a 22% chance, he has to call 625 to win 1875 + 825,
    Posted by N1CK
    Yeah I was always wondering if with implied odds he was priced in to call, cheers for the responses guys.

    Would you have called the initial 100 with 5 2? I certainly wouldn't as Colin says a bit further up, I am a tight player early stages, 5 2 is in the muck at 50 never mind 100 for me!

    Dave
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  • N1CKN1CK
    edited January 2010
    In Response to Re: Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this?:
    In Response to Re: Analyse my Play - Can I get away from this? : Yeah I was always wondering if with implied odds he was priced in to call, cheers for the responses guys. Would you have called the initial 100 with 5 2? I certainly wouldn't as Colin says a bit further up, I am a tight player early stages, 5 2 is in the muck at 50 never mind 100 for me! Dave
    Posted by SolarCarro
    no i dont think he should of been in the hand in the first place, going back to your reraise on the turn its not terrible at the end of the day you have the best hand your a good favourite and you want him to put more chips in ok he outdraws you it happens im just saying its not the worse call in the world he made, your first bet of 100 was a mistake giving 8/1 to two players but as he minraised you he gave you the oppertunity to correct your error which you did, sum might say you should of shoved the lot to protect your hand but you need to amass chips and im not one for scaring customers away
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  • phil12ukphil12uk
    edited January 2010
    With Geoff's UTG min raise pre, Im playing like u pre flop. The problem then is ur the middle player of the 3 still in and stuck!  I personally am playing the flop much stronger to make them pay to hit their chasing hands or, if Geoff has an A which is very likely after preflop play, he is staying in whilst completely dominated. I would also be worried about villain leading out pre - hence why Im also bumping it up then.  Im wanting to play vs 1 player here, not 2 with my hand.  
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  • scotty77scotty77
    edited January 2010
    Raise flop.
    Play better turn.

    You are still getting stacked tho.  I would think that he's gonna be coming along if you go all in flop, and once he picks up the gutshot on turn its a certainty.

    But yeah if you think you can fold river with 4th nuts for 800/4k then you are a superstar.

    Oh yeah about the odds, even with the implied odds he is still paying a premium, however in a massive tournie field like the open, I think that making more marginal calls are fine, as if you have the chips you can really do some damage to set you up for a deep run.  I'd rather go out 700th in the open than 100th.

    But also I doubt that this villain was thinking like that really, he was just playing his FD/GS and hit.  You got UL but you shoulda been getting in your chips a lot faster.



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  • danwill701danwill701
    edited January 2010
    i would of re-raised after the flop
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