Turbo Dym New hands?Bubble play?

belsibub

Hope to get to show down.

belsibub

The kind of hand i always never know what to do.

What would you do pre & post?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
crimsnking	Small blind		15.00	15.00	955.00
chips101	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1225.00
	Your hole cards	J J
brinna12	Fold
belsibub	Raise		90.00	135.00	910.00
d_Artagnan	Call		90.00	225.00	700.00
huggi	Fold
crimsnking	Call		75.00	300.00	880.00
chips101	Call		60.00	360.00	1165.00
Flop
		Q 8 A
crimsnking	Check
chips101	Check
belsibub

stuarty117

When i use to play alot of Turbo DYMs i found that min raising was better because you only start with 1000 chips.

At least then we will save chips in the long run if we dont hit the flop.

I would just check on hand above. As Mr F says try and get to showdown, keep as many chips as you can for a better spot. 

On another point

I would love to see the turbo start stack 2000 same levels as normal speed i would play these instead.

yuranASSet

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:

When i use to play alot of Turbo DYMs i found that min raising was better because you only start with 1000 chips. At least then we will save chips in the long run if we dont hit the flop. I would just check on hand above. As Mr F says try and get to showdown, keep as many chips as you can for a better spot.  On another point I would love to see the turbo start stack 2000 same levels as normal speed i would play these instead.
Posted by stuarty117

Like a semi turbo DYM?

belsibub

I'll extend it a bit.
Just fold now?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
crimsnking	Small blind		15.00	15.00	955.00
chips101	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1225.00
	Your hole cards	J J
brinna12	Fold
belsibub	Raise		90.00	135.00	910.00
d_Artagnan	Call		90.00	225.00	700.00
huggi	Fold
crimsnking	Call		75.00	300.00	880.00
chips101	Call		60.00	360.00	1165.00
Flop
		Q 8 A
crimsnking	Check
chips101	Check
belsibub	Check
d_Artagnan	Bet		60.00	420.00	640.00
crimsnking	Fold
chips101	Call		60.00	480.00	1105.00
belsibub

stuarty117

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym? : Like a semi turbo DYM?
Posted by yuranASSet

Yea lol

On other sites it would be perhaps closer to a hyper DYM

just a bit more play than shove fold after 2 orbits

stuarty117

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:

I'll extend it a bit. Just fold now? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance crimsnking Small blind   15.00 15.00 955.00 chips101 Big blind   30.00 45.00 1225.00   Your hole cards J J       brinna12 Fold         belsibub Raise   90.00 135.00 910.00 d_Artagnan Call   90.00 225.00 700.00 huggi Fold         crimsnking Call   75.00 300.00 880.00 chips101 Call   60.00 360.00 1165.00 Flop     Q 8 A       crimsnking Check         chips101 Check         belsibub Check         d_Artagnan Bet   60.00 420.00 640.00 crimsnking Fold         chips101 Call   60.00 480.00 1105.00 belsibub          
Posted by belsibub

Yea fold keep ur 900 chips for better spot.

yuranASSet

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym? : Yea lol On other sites it would be perhaps closer to a hyper DYM just a bit more play than shove fold after 2 orbits
Posted by stuarty117

The thing is, there are certain strategies for certain games. If you think that your strategy is better suited to something else other than shove fold 2 orbits, then you should find those games. Or learn a concrete strategy for these type of games. Yer man Ivan might be best placed to teach you these things with him having dabbled in Turbo's & Hyper's but I think the key is aggression. Limp, 3bet pre could very well be a better play here.

stuarty117

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym?:

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym? : The thing is, there are certain strategies for certain games. If you think that your strategy is better suited to something else other than shove fold 2 orbits, then you should find those games. Or learn a concrete strategy for these type of games. Yer man Ivan might be best placed to teach you these things with him having dabbled in Turbo's & Hyper's but I think the key is aggression. Limp, 3bet pre could very well be a better play here.
Posted by yuranASSet

Yea agree thats why i play normal speed dyms just suit me better, bit more relaxed and can have a chat and stuff.

yuranASSet

I'm looking to get into these games myself which is why I take a bit of interest. I mean, if there is a winning strategy to be had in Hyper-HUSNG's then why wouldn't we. The thing is, from what I've been reading, there is. I just need to learn it.

belsibub

Another struggle to know what to do.
Feel this was a mistake with a shorty but got away with it.
What would you do here.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
nolady2	Small blind		100.00	100.00	540.00
pet34	Big blind		200.00	300.00	2180.00
	Your hole cards	A K
belsibub	Raise		400.00	700.00	880.00
	Call		400.00	1100.00	1300.00
nolady2	Fold
pet34	Fold
Flop
		2 J 4
belsibub	Check
	Check
Turn
		3
belsibub	Check
	Check
River
		9
belsibub	Check
	Check
belsibub	Show	A K
	Show	Q Q
	Win	Pair of Queens	1100.00		2400.00

hhyftrftdr

If you're gonna play it, has to be all in pre I'd have thought, but I don't play DYMs

Argument for folding with the shorty, though AK is almost always the best hand with just 4 players. Meh, probs just fold pre.

F_Ivanovic

min-r AK there def. the worst option although you were super lucky to save your chips there!! If all players were employing correct (or near enough) strategy then shoving pre with AK is clearly the best play. All it takes is for shorty to get a couple of steals through and his stack size will be level with yours. Being the 2nd shortest stack, it's a "them or me" spot for you. 

Lets look through the scenarios:

You ship, SB calls with anywhere between 15% and 25% of his hands. You have at least 60% equity and 60% chance to cash in the DYM there and then.

You ship, everyone folds: You now have 1580 chips and are in great shape to cash. 
You ship, someone else calls: Well, you'll likely be a 40% dog - but that's still 40% of the time and you're pretty much a lock to cash if you in. And the chance that someone calls where you'll be a 40% dog is very small (they need JJ+, AK to call)

You fold, BTN folds, SB shoves and BB folds - SB now has 840. Next hand you are in BB with 1080 behind. UTG folds, shorty BTN with 840 shoves with a v wide range. You now have the same "them or me" spot as before but instead have to call it off with not as good equity. If we fold, shorty now has 1140 and we have 1080 - we're now short stack.

belsibub

Fold?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
sharpy3027	Small blind		100.00	100.00	1995.00
belsibub	Big blind		200.00	300.00	1145.00
	Your hole cards	A J
seanyx	Fold
disco45	Raise		600.00	900.00	265.00
sharpy3027	Raise		900.00	1800.00	1095.00
belsibub

hhyftrftdr

Yes.

Matt237

One of the most simple laydowns ever with disco's stack. 

belsibub

Never know the best play with reasonable  stack & shorty.Snap calls or fold?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
billy58	Small blind		100.00	100.00	675.00
belsibub	Big blind		200.00	300.00	2080.00
	Your hole cards	9 9
paddie1985	All-in		1230.00	1530.00	0.00
johnboy825	Fold
billy58	Fold
belsibub

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
paddie1985	Small blind		150.00	150.00	1530.00
johnboy825	Big blind		300.00	450.00	1415.00
	Your hole cards	A 8
billy58	All-in		675.00	1125.00	0.00
belsibub

Matt237

So in hand 1 Johnboy has 1715 and in hand 2 you have 1930.

Snap folding the 99 in hand #1. 

Hand #2 factors:

- Is villain jamming correctly?

- IF fold: Is villain in the BB likely to know he has to call with ATC?

- IF call: Does villain know he has to call and check pot down, without betting into us?

- IF call: Do villains behind us know they are not supposed to rejam?

I think its very close on the surface but those simple factors will 100% come into play on bubble. Guessing the stake you are playing they aren't thinking like this so I probably find a fold (Other point being we have invested 0 chips). If the BB folds note him down as whatever you wish, I like to use a particular C word.

HENDRIK62

In Response to Re: Turbo Dym New hands?Bubble play?:

So in hand 1 Johnboy has 1715 and in hand 2 you have 1930. Snap folding the 99 in hand #1.  Hand #2 factors: - Is villain jamming correctly? - IF fold: Is villain in the BB likely to know he has to call with ATC? - IF call: Does villain know he has to call and check pot down, without betting into us? -  IF call: Do villains behind us know they are not supposed to rejam? I think its very close on the surface but those simple factors will 100% come into play on bubble. Guessing the stake you are playing they aren't thinking like this so I probably find a fold (Other point being we have invested 0 chips). If the BB folds note him down as whatever you wish, I like to use a particular C word.
Posted by Matt237

lol

belsibub

Not bubble(5 handed) but another that i find tricky.
My default here is to shove as the next hand will be 100/200 & not keen min raising 25% of my stack to fold a bad flop if called.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
johnboy825	Small blind		75.00	75.00	820.00
shaggy60	Big blind		150.00	225.00	1575.00
	Your hole cards	J J
billy58	Fold
belsibub

Matt237

Cant see all stacks but if its 5 handed its more than likely a simple jam. 

Only case for folding is if we have 800-1.2k and 2 players are less than 300, even then we should min raise and call them off.