The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do??

ShaunyT

Literally the first hand, I get AQoff UTG. I 3x raise to 60, guy in the cut off ships it, everybody else folds. 

What is the correct play? Pros are if you win the hand you get a bounty (about a third of the BI) and basically start the tournament with a double stack so the potential to take further bounties early on. Conns are, most of the time you will be flipping or dominated, occasionally it might be AJ or worse.

I've seen people make this move in low stakes BHs a fair few times and wondered what the right play is.

Lambert180

If it's an £11BH or lower I'd fold AQo, probably call something like TT+ and AK

ShaunyT

Was the 2.5k bh £11 bi, last night. Normally I would fold I think, I called last night, villain showed 10s, Q on the flop, A on the river. Happy days. It does give you a lot of leverage having double the stack. I played it quite aggressive and got another bounty a few hands later. I have noticed some players seem to open shove very early, I don't know if it's a " double or quits" attitude. If it is a genuine tactic I don't know how profitable it would be, although even at £11 bi people call off 50bb shoves with kj, a10 etc. 

LARSON7

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Was the 2.5k bh £11 bi, last night. Normally I would fold I think, I called last night, villain showed 10s, Q on the flop, A on the river. Happy days. It does give you a lot of leverage having double the stack. I played it quite aggressive and got another bounty a few hands later. I have noticed some players seem to open shove very early, I don't know if it's a " double or quits" attitude. If it is a genuine tactic I don't know how profitable it would be, although even at £11 bi people call off 50bb shoves with kj, a10 etc. 
Posted by ShaunyT

I would just fold.

We only have 60 chips invested.

It's amazing the amount of times I have seen people do this with QQ plus.

Most often we are totally dominated here.

Very good argument for also folding AK.

hhyftrftdr

Snap AKs and QQ+, think about JJ....probably fold AQ. Though vs a complete random, and if you're in a punting mood, might sometimes call with as low as AJs, as you do see some funky shoves early doors.

ShaunyT

Geez. What a bunch of nits lol

shakinaces

lol shows how bad an MTT player I am, I'd snap call this in a low stakes BH and expect to see all sorts of rags.

If they've levelled me into a call and they have KK/AA then VWP them.

Perhaps I've just been sat against big gamblers too frequently in early stages of MTTs... its skewed my thinking by the amount of times I've seen middling suited connectors/any 2 face cards/any ace in spots like these... or even just shoving every hand in a sort of 'double or quits' start to a game.

mrsduck

What terrible grammar Shauny!

ShaunyT

+1 shakin.

Sorry Mrs duck. My excuse is posting from my phone at work, coupled with the fact I'm busy lol.

Must try harder......

mrsduck

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+1 shakin. Sorry Mrs duck. My excuse is posting from my phone at work, coupled with the fact I'm busy lol. Must try harder......
Posted by ShaunyT

No worries!

Ps ~ Fold

Slipwater

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What terrible grammar Shauny!
Posted by mrsduck

That is my job, Ducky

PS - I'm happy with a fold or a call really. AQ is a horrid hand at the best of times...

CraigSG1

I'm with shakinaces. Not sure it's a 'snap' call but I agree we are ahead or crushing a lot more than the opposite. Call or fold fine, arguments for both. What it isn't is a mistake to do either. 

mrsduck

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In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : That is my job, Ducky PS - I'm happy with a fold or a call really. AQ is a horrid hand at the best of times...
Posted by Slipwater

I think you'll find its actually my job!

Slipwater

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In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : I think you'll find its actually my job!
Posted by mrsduck

In that case, I reckon you were hired on a bet

mrsduck

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In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : In that case, I reckon you were hired on a bet
Posted by Slipwater

Whaddya mean?

Slipwater

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In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : Whaddya mean?
Posted by mrsduck

*What do you mean... you mean.

Matt237

Its pretty much always a pair, Would be folding.

MattBates

Where possible we want to be avoiding flips in MTTs and winning uncontested chips, here we are taking one first hand.

Benchmark

If you ship all-in on the very first hand, you either have the cards, too much money or don't have the time.

natry20111

easy fold

shakinaces

So if the fella who shoves first hand then repeats the move for the first 2, 3, 4+ hands of a game (as happens from time to time in games I play)... how many hands do we give it before we consider calling with less than QQ+?

And when (if?) we do consider calling, how wide do we open our calling range?

BigBluster

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So if the fella who shoves first hand then repeats the move for the first 2, 3, 4+ hands of a game (as happens from time to time in games I play)... how many hands do we give it before we consider calling with less than QQ+? And when (if?) we do consider calling, how wide do we open our calling range?
Posted by shakinaces

The likelihood of anyone at the table holding QQ+ is about 1 in 6. If the villain keeps shoving his 100BB stack in it's a suicidal play. I wouldn't open the range at all: you don't want to call him with a pair of nines only to bust out to someone else with a premium.

reeler

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Snap AKs and QQ+, think about JJ....probably fold AQ. Though vs a complete random, and if you're in a punting mood, might sometimes call with as low as AJs, as you do see some funky shoves early doors.
Posted by hhyftrftdr

this   is good advice if your feeling lucky call only if you have the br if not fold

ALLEYKITTY

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In Response to Re: The very 1st hand of a bounty hunter. Wat do?? : The likelihood of anyone at the table holding QQ+ is about 1 in 6. If the villain keeps shoving his 100BB stack in it's a suicidal play. I wouldn't open the range at all: you don't want to call him with a pair of nines only to bust out to someone else with a premium.
Posted by BigBluster

come on that is just wrong if someone is open shipping everyhand which  occasionally happens why would u not adapt your range, your stat regrading q-q+ irrelevant since the worse scenario is villian ships utg and u are next to act so only 4 players behide so only 1 in 10 they hold q-q+ IMO jj-99 is a snap call only negative  is if villian been shoving everyhand u probably will not have him covered for bounty