Should i just fold? or at least see the turn?

S7N

  

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Shedman78	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£3.19
Hugogypsy	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£9.82
	Your hole cards	J A
trout42	Fold
S7N	Raise		£0.16	£0.28	£14.19
Robbo67	Raise		£1.28	£1.56	£6.72
wol00716	Fold
Shedman78	Fold
Hugogypsy	Call		£1.20	£2.76	£8.62
S7N	Call		£1.12	£3.88	£13.07
Flop
		A 4 3
Hugogypsy	Bet		£3.88	£7.76	£4.74
S7N	Fold
Robbo67	Fold
Hugogypsy	Muck
Hugogypsy	Win		£3.58		£8.32
Hugogypsy	Return		£3.88	£0.30	£12.20

S7N

Strange, That would not work on my other computer.

Anyway, though I give up onit, would the villian really want to bet into it straight away with the goods?  My thoughts were QQ/KK would not bet straight into it, maybe AK or AQ would but again surely you would be looking for value.

On this table there was some really strange players, big bets creating big pots with any suited cards. I done ok on there but left in the end as I lost 45% of my buyin to a backdoor straight, that had been raised by me pre, UTG  with QQ.

Long storty short I think it wa something like runner runner and he turns over ace 2. Pre flop and turn I am notm sure what the villan was even hoping for... But hey ho... another lesson learned.

GELDY

if you are going to fold that flop then you should fold to the raise pre

S7N

In Response to Re: Should i just fold? or at least see the turn?:

if you are going to fold that flop then you should fold to the raise pre
Posted by GELDY

Ha, straight to the point. Love it.

Thanks Geldy

shakinaces

Yeah I'd fold pre-flop given the size of the raise, especially after a min-raise open means you've hardly invested anything.  If the table is playing proper maniac then maybe there is a case to 4b shove and gamble (if you so wish), but that would be very oppo specific?

Against Robbo67 I definitely fold pre here lol... would recommend blocking out players names when you post hands!

S7N

ok aces lol

Ta

S7N

Check PM Aces

RLT16

As i dont know the opponent id initially agree with geldy, if your folding that flop then you need fold to the raise pre. But after the raise flop i think you dont have a lot of choice but to put him all in personally, you could call but then if the turn comes anything lower than a jack and he bets the rest of his stack you probably have to call again anyway. 

Thats probably completely wrong but thats how id do it

S7N

If I think about it, I guess the point of me sharing the hands was because subconsciously I knew that I should of either did what I did (Fold) which as you say, I shoud of done that pre flop.
Or GII - Which I now regret not doing lol

As I said earlier, the aggression on the table would of been my motive.

jordz16

I'd say your initial raise should be bigger.. but you shouldnt ever be calling his raise.. 99% of the time its a fold.. and the 1% of the time you think he is playing crazy and raising big with any 2 then just reraise him all in.