Vegas final structure

jonjo75

Why has a £350 Vegas final got a turbo structure?
Yes the blinds are 12 mins but there are loads of levels missing and its playing like a turbo.

This is the first 10 levels with a 5000 strating stack
LevelBlindsMinutes   120.00 / 40.0012230.00 / 60.0012340.00 / 80.0012450.00 / 100.0012575.00 / 150.00126100.00 / 200.00127125.00 / 250.00128150.00 / 300.0012-Late Registration Closes-9200.00 / 400.001210250.00 / 500.0012

To compare this is the structure of the £50 BH at 21.00

4000 starting stack

LevelBlindsMinutes   110.00 / 20.0012215.00 / 30.0012320.00 / 40.0012425.00 / 50.0012530.00 / 60.0012-Late Registration Closes-640.00 / 80.0012750.00 / 100.0012875.00 / 150.00129100.00 / 200.001210125.00 / 250.0012
I just dont understand why SKY have made it a turbo when there are only 40 players and its a pretty big tourney.

jonjo75

Just had a look and the £1100 is the same structure.
Please SKY can you reconsider and use the 9pm £50 bh  or the Roller structure as both these tourneys give a decent amount of play.

IrishRose

I'm on mobile at the moment so can't see lobby - what was the decision made on the excess money generated in the final?  Assuming 5 packages but is there any bubble cash?

jonjo75

In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:

I'm on mobile at the moment so can't see lobby - what was the decision made on the excess money generated in the final?  Assuming 5 packages but is there any bubble cash?
Posted by IrishRose

There was no excess Rose. There was 40 runners with 4 seats.

ajmilton

lobby only showing 4 prizes 4 packages paid ...that's it.

   edit**  lol beat me to it

GELDY

now on the FT

elvisg1972	46324.50
yupster69	38627.50
Max_Bear	37864.50
Wacko90	37073.50
greyface	30375
chilling	9735

GELDY

bubble lasted 1 minute, unlike 6th out which was nearer an hour

vul greyface

elvisg1972	73624.50	1	Entry to £3.2k Vegas Event
Wacko90	68578.50	2	Entry to £3.2k Vegas Event
Max_Bear	30569.50	3	Entry to £3.2k Vegas Event
yupster69	27227.50	4	Entry to £3.2k Vegas Event
greyface	0	5

DOHHHHHHH

Starting stack after 2 hours is 10xbb. 

Most turbos with this field size would be over inside 2 hours. 

TTayseer

The £17 qualifier last night seemed to have a much better structure than the £350 final on Saturday. Surely that can't make sense.

GREGHOGG

Personally, I am happy with the faster structures for the finals as it suits my game. 

But I also do not see the logic in some of the lesser value satelites and mtts being a "better" slower structure. I agree that this should be reviewed and whatever is decided I will adapt my game and try to bink a seat regardless.

Good luck all!

jonjo75

Surely for the £1100 final in May SKY should put a better structure on.
Can someone from SKY explain why they have decided to use this structure and where did they get it from because  I can not think of another tourney on SKY with it.
Of course some people prefer the faster structure but I just think for a vegas final it should have a little more play and it being faster than some of the sats into it is just weird.
If there is some good reason for it being faster than normal then thats fine but I can't think of one.

Tikay10

Hi Guys,

I would have thought the various comments about "better" & "worse" structure are subjective.

It would also be pretty controversial at this stage to change an element of something which has been known about for some time now.
 
I'll send it upstairs for comment, as it is clearly troubling many of you, & I DO understand your point, & why you are making it. It really is "subjective" though.

jonjo75

In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:

Hi Guys, I would have thought the various comments about "better" & "worse" structure are subjective. It would also be pretty controversial at this stage to change an element of something which has been known about for some time now.   I'll send it upstairs for comment, as it is clearly troubling many of you, & I DO understand your point, & why you are making it. It really is "subjective" though.
Posted by Tikay10

Thanks Tikay I understand it is subjective but for some reason you just expect a higher buy in tourney to be slower.
The ukops main event has a £110 buy in with a 10000 starting stack ,after 2 hrs the blinds are 125/250.
The vegas final is a £1100 buy in and has a 5000 starting stack, after 2hrs the blinds are 250/500.
If thats just how it is then thats how it is but I'm just not sure of the logic behind it.

bearlyther

Everyone had the chance to see the structure before they played it if they didnt like the structure they shouldnt have played it.  I cant see anything wrong with the current structure it looks fine. Hate the idea of making it longer maybe if the site had antes some more levels could be added.  Without antes no thanks keep it as it is most people dont want to be playing till 4 in the morning.  

jonjo75

In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:

Everyone had the chance to see the structure before they played it if they didnt like the structure they shouldnt have played it.  I cant see anything wrong with the current structure it looks fine. Hate the idea of making it longer maybe if the site had antes some more levels could be added.  Without antes no thanks keep it as it is most people dont want to be playing till 4 in the morning.  
Posted by bearlyther

How may times has the £55 BH that starts at 9pm gone on to 4am?
I was just suprised that it was much faster than the other bigger tourneys on the site and was asking why.
I think most regs on SKY think the 9pm £55 BH is one of the best tourneys on the site structure wise and I cant see the problem with using something similar to this.

Tikay10

And there we have the conundrum - two very talented players, posting 2 minutes apart, have views which are polar opposites.

I exactly get the point of the question, (though I have zero say in these matters), & I exactly get Conor's view, too.
 
Anyway, I've sent it Upstairs for comment now. 

They'll be running out of patience with me at this rate, I do tend to ask them a lot of questions, so I need to ensure I don't wear out my welcome with them, such as it is.

Anyway, let's wait & see what they say. I'll be quite surprised if they change it if it has been "advertised" as that since Day One - that produces complications.    

Tikay10

Quick PS here.

By the nature of things, & in my experience.....

When we DISAGREE with something, we complain. As several have, here.

When we AGREE with something, we say nothing.

So the views expressed may be a bit lopsided & MAY not express a fair cross section of opinion.

MattBates

In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:

In Response to Re: Vegas final structure : How may times has the £55 BH that starts at 9pm gone on to 4am? I was just suprised that it was much faster than the other bigger tourneys on the site and was asking why. I think most regs on SKY think the 9pm £55 BH is one of the best tourneys on the site structure wise and I cant see the problem with using something similar to this.
Posted by jonjo75

You cant compare a normal MTT to a sat. Sats will always end up with people with a small number of BB. Its the nature of them. In a normal MTT we want all the chips, in a sat we are happy with 1 chip when it ends. We need a sensible structure but we must appreciate when looking at the structure that its a sat and there is no antes on the site.

Tikay10

Tom Thumb makes a fair point, too - this is not an MTT that plays down to one - it stops at 5 players, or whatever.

GELDY

It feels natural to me to have a faster structure in a sat than a regular tournament. I'm very happy with a faster structure for the vegas sats, even the final, than for the 9pm BH, which is a delightful, but slow tournament. 

But then I'll be getting it all in with my KK vs flopped quads regardless. 

jonjo75

In Response to Re: Vegas final structure:

In Response to Re: Vegas final structure : You cant compare a normal MTT to a sat. Sats will always end up with people with a small number of BB. Its the nature of them. In a normal MTT we want all the chips, in a sat we are happy with 1 chip when it ends. We need a sensible structure but we must appreciate when looking at the structure that its a sat and there is no antes on the site.
Posted by MattBates

Yeah thats a fair point. I must admit I wasn't thinking about it that way but still I have played many sats which seem to have much more play in them.
I agree we need a sensible structure and obviously I dont think whats there now is sensible but I'm sure I will get over it.

Tikay10

Morning all.

In the light of all the feedback, the Structure of the £3,200 Final has now been eased.

Hopefully, that will allay some of the concerns.

As of yet, they have not amended the £10,000 Final, but that's a long way down the line. I think, once UKOPS & the £3,200 Final have taken place, they may consider changes to the structure of the £10,000 Final. It might make sense to see how the revised structure of the £3,200 Final goes first.  

Tikay10

The revised structure is as below.....

1	15.00 / 30.00	12
2	20.00 / 40.00	12
3	30.00 / 60.00	12
4	40.00 / 80.00	12
5	50.00 / 100.00	12
6	75.00 / 150.00	12
7	100.00 / 200.00	12
8	125.00 / 250.00	12
-	Late Registration Closes	-
9	150.00 / 300.00	12
10	200.00 / 400.00	12
11	250.00 / 500.00	12
12	300.00 / 600.00	12
13	400.00 / 800.00	12
14	500.00 / 1000.00	12

15	600.00 / 1200.00	12
16	800.00 / 1600.00	12
17	1000.00 / 2000.00	12
18	1250.00 / 2500.00	12
19	1500.00 / 3000.00	12
20	2000.00 / 4000.00	12
21	2500.00 / 5000.00	12
22	3000.00 / 6000.00	12
23	4000.00 / 8000.00	12
24	5000.00 / 10000.00	12
25	6000.00 / 12000.00	12
26	7000.00 / 14000.00	12
27	8000.00 / 16000.00	12
28	10000.00 / 20000.00	12

Tikay10

I don't have the original structure to hand, but based on the OP, the first 14 levels WERE.....

1	20.00 / 40.00	12
2	30.00 / 60.00	12
3	40.00 / 80.00	12
4	50.00 / 100.00	12
5	75.00 / 150.00	12
6	100.00 / 200.00	12
7	125.00 / 250.00	12
8	150.00 / 300.00	12
-	Late Registration Closes	-
9	200.00 / 400.00	12
10	250.00 / 500.00	12

Tikay10

All constructive feedback welcome.