poor play/too aggressive or bad beat/forgone conclusion?

SamZed19

advice on this hand would be good. i do think the 4 bet may be uneccesary pre, but dont think its terrible play. let me know if you think this hand is worthy of a bad beat story, or a poor play learn from your mistakes kinda hand! 
Hand History #904453128 (23:06 06/05/2015)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceSamZed19Small blind£0.02£0.02£6.23SALSACITYBig blind £0.04£0.06£3.01 Your hole cardshttps://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="diamond">Ahttps://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="spade">K   craigcu12Raise £0.12£0.18£10.92luckyloochRaise £0.36£0.54£0.75Pete212Fold    SamZed19Raise £0.78£1.32£5.45SALSACITYFold    craigcu12Call £0.68£2.00£10.24luckyloochAll-in £0.75£2.75£0.00SamZed19Call £0.31£3.06£5.14craigcu12Call £0.31£3.37£9.93Flop  https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="club">Khttps://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="diamond">Qhttps://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="diamond">6   SamZed19Bet £1.69£5.06£3.45craigcu12Call £1.69£6.75£8.24Turn  

• https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="spade">A

   SamZed19All-in £3.45£10.20£0.00craigcu12Call £3.45£13.65£4.79SamZed19Show

• https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="diamond">A
• https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/spade.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="spade">K

   craigcu12Show

• https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="club">Q
• https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="heart">Q

   luckyloochShow

• https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="heart">K
• https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/diamond.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-color: #ffffff; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="diamond">K

   River  

• https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: 1px 100%; background-repeat: no-repeat" class="club">J

   luckyloochWinThree Kings£3.11 £3.11craigcu12WinThree Queens£9.51 £14.30

SamZed19

ok the copy paste still isnt working again (fyi skypoker) but the flop was K Q 6, turn A and villans had pocket Qs and Pocket Ks. so advice on play will be great

craigcu12

In Response to Re: poor play/too aggressive or bad beat/forgone conclusion?:

ok the copy paste still isnt working again (fyi skypoker) but the flop was K Q 6, turn A and villans had pocket Qs and Pocket Ks. so advice on play will be great
Posted by SamZed19

i'll give you the hand myself

SamZed19	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£6.23
SALSACITY	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.01
	Your hole cards	Q Q
craigcu12	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£10.92
luckylooch	Raise		£0.36	£0.54	£0.75
Pete212	Fold
SamZed19	Raise		£0.78	£1.32	£5.45
SALSACITY	Fold
craigcu12	Call		£0.68	£2.00	£10.24
luckylooch	All-in		£0.75	£2.75	£0.00
SamZed19	Call		£0.31	£3.06	£5.14
craigcu12	Call		£0.31	£3.37	£9.93
Flop
		K Q 6
SamZed19	Bet		£1.69	£5.06	£3.45
craigcu12	Call		£1.69	£6.75	£8.24
Turn
		A
SamZed19	All-in		£3.45	£10.20	£0.00
craigcu12	Call		£3.45	£13.65	£4.79
SamZed19	Show	A K
craigcu12	Show	Q Q
luckylooch	Show	K K
River
		J
luckylooch	Win	Three Kings	£3.11		£3.11
craigcu12	Win	Three Queens	£9.51		£14.30

craigcu12

it was played abit too aggressive, what you need to do before jamming the turn is ask yourself what hands will I be calling with on that flop when taking into account the agression played pre especially when you have got the Ad yourself?

SamZed19

Thanks for posting it. Yeah now you say that only hand I'm beating is AQ or poss KQ but unlikely. Just thought cause there was a big side pot also you would be playing more aggressively to steal the main pot and have less opposition for side. Is that a bad mindset to be coming from? And I thought that small stakes players were more loose so players would go all in with poor two pair in this hand

craigcu12

although we had a side pot, that wasn't created until the call is made on the flop. the only pot made when you cbet all the cash in before cbetting can be won by he who shoved.

nl4 does contain loads of loose players, what you'll generally see happening is they limping things, if they make an opening raise, it's a premium or semi premium hand most days, they'll never be doing it with A6o, QJo or 92dd, If they were to raise this stuff,  there maniacs, who'll then do a shove preflop or call it pre and jam it on a flop when they've hit.

waller02

In Response to Re: poor play/too aggressive or bad beat/forgone conclusion?:

although we had a side pot, that wasn't created until the call is made on the flop. the only pot made when you cbet all the cash in before cbetting can be won by he who shoved. nl4 does contain loads of loose players, what you'll generally see happening is they limping things, if they make an opening raise, it's a premium or semi premium hand most days, they'll never be doing it with A6o, QJo or 92dd, If they were to raise this stuff,  there maniacs, who'll then do a shove preflop or call it pre and jam it on a flop when they've hit.
Posted by craigcu12

I actually think his play would be fine against 90% of nl4 players. Shoot me if I'm way off the mark but that would be my view from the limited amount of experience I have playing there.