too tight to fold?

shakinaces

Probably a missed cbet - but figured l/c could include lots of midpairs that are calling any cbet anyway, so planned a delayed cbet on the turn.

Kept bet small on turn figuring small and midpairs were still a big part of oppos range and didn't want to scare them off now I had top pair.

Then I was left just plain confused by the 3/4 donk on the river.  Time-out-folded but think I was leant to a fold anyway.  Is that just too tight in this spot?  Struggling to put many Qx hands in their range.  Seems odd they wouldn't lead the turn if they had 44/99/J9 in order to get some value from their monster.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
nadie26	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£6.60
BOSSPUP	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£4.90
	Your hole cards	J K
xxxxx	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£9.52
	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£4.28
AND13	Fold
shakinaces	Raise		£0.50	£0.85	£10.34
nadie26	Fold
BOSSPUP	Fold
xxxxx	Call		£0.40	£1.25	£9.12
	Fold
Flop
		4 4 9
xxxxxx	Check
shakinaces	Check
Turn
		J
xxxxxx	Check
shakinaces	Bet		£0.60	£1.85	£9.74
xxxxxx	Call		£0.60	£2.45	£8.52
River
		Q
xxxxxx	Bet		£1.84	£4.29	£6.68
shakinaces	Fold
xxxxxx	Muck
xxxxxx	Win		£2.26		£8.94
xxxxxx	Return		£1.84	£0.19	£10.78

unknown_username

The only hands i can see doing this pre are AQ/ KQ /QJ ((no notes i assume), villians not got auto rebuy ticked , so maybes hes bad).
And if he is bad  Q4 and 4x could be in his range, Ide tag him green and  observe him.

Lambert180

Given we've checked the flop (and so are likely to check the turn too), I'd expect almost everyone to always lead the turn with 4x and 99 so I'd discount those.

Generally, loose/passive villian takes off and stops being in c/c mode, he has it. I'd expect QJ to be around the bottom of his range after he bets river, with the most likely hands being T8/KT

EDIT: forgot to actually reply to question... nah i dont think a fold is too tight at all, unless you have notes they spew spots like this, readless its a clear fold imo.

shakinaces

Cool cheers both.

I only asked as I've obviously capped my own range by checking flop and weakly betting turn.  Only value hand I'd do that with would be 99 if I didn't expect to get called on flop (although would probably still 1/2 pot and hope to get called by mid-pairs / floated by overs).

I suppose if it was bluff it's more likely they'd c/r the weak turn bet than call/donk river and must have gone ahead with the Q.