Would you call for your tourney on this river bet?

Mohican

Well would you?
In a deep stack,on the final table bubble I made this move on the River,
could you call?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Mohican	Small blind		400.00	400.00	22097.00
villian	Big blind		800.00	1200.00	15240.00
	Your hole cards	10 9
player	Fold
player	Fold
Mohican	Raise		1200.00	2400.00	20897.00
villian	Call		800.00	3200.00	14440.00
Flop
		J Q 7
Mohican	Bet		1600.00	4800.00	19297.00
villian	Raise		4000.00	8800.00	10440.00
Mohican	Call		2400.00	11200.00	16897.00
Turn
		J
Mohican	Check
villian	Bet		4000.00	15200.00	6440.00
Mohican	Call		4000.00	19200.00	12897.00
River
		J
Mohican	All-in		12897.00	32097.00	0.00
villian	All-in		6440.00	38537.00	0.00
Mohican	Unmatched bet		6457.00	32080.00	6457.00
Mohican	Show	10 9
villian	Show	Q 7
villian	Win	Full House, Jacks and Queens	32080.00		32080.00

Mohican

The villian said in the chat box 'you haven't got the J surely'  then called so he didn't just
insta call with his Full house, I said at the time he made a crying call, hoping to be ahead and I
think this might have annoyed him.
Or was he pot comitted and duty bound to call with what he had left?
Just wondering what others would do?

unknown_username

Zeebo's theorum!

Players wont fold a full house.

Mohican

In Response to Re: Would you call for your tourney on this river bet?:

Zeebo's theorum! Players wont fold a full house.
Posted by Deadluck

except jc tran- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZHS-ZNEgVg

N1CK

hes calling all day long, i think your shove on the river was pretty bad, what did you think he reraised the flop  then bet the turn with?

Mohican

In Response to Re: Would you call for your tourney on this river bet?:

hes calling all day long, i think your shove on the river was pretty bad, what did you think he reraised the flop  then bet the turn with?
Posted by N1CK

Knew he had a Q, but it was the only way I was going to win the hand.
He was worried about the J on the turn cos he bet then same on the turn as he reraised on the flop.
Perhaps if he had more behind him he would've folded.

N1CK

In Response to Re: Would you call for your tourney on this river bet?:

In Response to Re: Would you call for your tourney on this river bet? : Knew he had a Q, but it was the only way I was going to win the hand. He was worried about the J on the turn cos he bet then same on the turn as he reraised on the flop. Perhaps if he had more behind him he would've folded.
Posted by Mohican

i just think this was one of those hands you just have to give up, you really dont need to try to win every hand your involved in, the question to ask yourself is...if you was in his position would you fold?

zxghostxz

In Response to Would you call for your tourney on this river bet?:

Well would you? In a deep stack,on the final table bubble I made this move on the River, could you call? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Mohican Small blind   400.00 400.00 22097.00 villian Big blind   800.00 1200.00 15240.00   Your hole cards 10 9       player Fold         player Fold         Mohican Raise   1200.00 2400.00 20897.00 villian Call   800.00 3200.00 14440.00 Flop     J Q 7       Mohican Bet   1600.00 4800.00 19297.00 villian Raise   4000.00 8800.00 10440.00 Mohican Call   2400.00 11200.00 16897.00 Turn     J       Mohican Check         villian Bet   4000.00 15200.00 6440.00 Mohican Call   4000.00 19200.00 12897.00 River     J       Mohican All-in   12897.00 32097.00 0.00 villian All-in   6440.00 38537.00 0.00 Mohican Unmatched bet   6457.00 32080.00 6457.00 Mohican Show 10 9       villian Show Q 7       villian Win Full House, Jacks and Queens 32080.00   32080.00
Posted by Mohican

i cart believe you are surprissed he called. hes calling all day mate..he did every thing but send you an e.mail to try and let you NO wat he had... i think you just went for a hit and hope. i no you say it was the only way you could win the pot but somtimes you hav to let it go....... gl at the tables mohican

Mohican

In Response to Re: Would you call for your tourney on this river bet?:

In Response to Would you call for your tourney on this river bet? : i cart believe you are surprissed he called. hes calling all day mate..he did every thing but send you an e.mail to try and let you NO wat he had... i think you just went for a hit and hope. i no you say it was the only way you could win the pot but somtimes you hav to let it go....... gl at the tables mohican
Posted by zxghostxz

Like the fact you put me on AA or KK on his thread and tell him to fold.

Seagull158

In Response to Re: Would you call for your tourney on this river bet?:

The villian said in the chat box 'you haven't got the J surely'  then called so he didn't just insta call with his Full house, I said at the time he made a crying call, hoping to be ahead and I think this might have annoyed him. Or was he pot comitted and duty bound to call with what he had left? Just wondering what others would do?
Posted by Mohican

Mohican, The "crying call" comment didnt annoy me. I knew the only hand beating me was the jack and I didnt see any way you had one, maybe just a gut feeling. When you carried on betting I thought"surely, he cant have a jack" and put it in the chat box.  At the end of the day I just decided you didnt have the jack and you were trying to get me off the hand so I called for my tourny life!

DOHHHHHHH

26K in the pot 6k behind? Ive already clicked 'call any' before the bet has even come in....

There are alot easier things to represent to get a bluff through than quads!

DOHH

salazar

I'm quite tight and i'm calling this. You should have given up and saved your chips


Salazar

BADBOY985

I WAS ON THIS TABLE FOLDED PREFLOP BUT FROM THE WAY THE HAND PANNED OUT AND BY BOTH YOUR PLAY BEFORE I WOULDNT HAVE PUT EITHER OF YOU ON THE JACK YOU WERE PLAYING VERY AGGRESIVELY AT THAT POINT AND YOUR PLAY IN THAT HAND DIDNT GIVE ME ANY REASON TO THINK YOU HAD ANYTHING BETTER THAN A QUEEN.
THIS ISNT A CRITICISM JUST MY VIEW FROM WHERE I WAS SITTING

dantb10

This is a snap call!

When your bluffing you need to tell a believable story from start to finish. Maybe if the final jack doesnt hit the river then you might get it through, but with his chip stack and the pot size, its still very unlikely.

Once the jack hit the river he automatically thinks you dont have the jack, because statistically you shouldnt!!

Imo you would of been better check raising the turn when the jack would of been a scary card for him, and then he may of passed, but by the river the pot is too big, he has nothing behind and u have a jack 1 in a million times here!

You can find many better spots to bluff i think

Gl

Dan

Mohican

Thanks for the response.
I did think of check raising on the turn(as dantb said)but ran out of thinking time and just called.
Perhaps a glance at his stack before I shoved might have stopped me but it was a pretty instant shove so maybe not.
I'm glad I posted it as you only learn from mistakes and other peoples opinions can only help me improve.
It also seems that if you find yourself with quads in this sort of situation,a shove is gonna get
paid.thanks,
regards,
Mohican.