Unfoldable? Correct to shove?

unknown_username

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
swagman	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£2.04
balazar	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£4.74
	Your hole cards	6 6
euroanchor	Fold
Deadluck	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£7.05
bomberav01	Fold
CatNip	Call		£0.16	£0.38	£3.20
swagman	Fold
balazar	Call		£0.12	£0.50	£4.62
Flop
		6 7 4
balazar	Bet		£0.04	£0.54	£4.58
Deadluck	Raise		£0.62	£1.16	£6.43
CatNip	Call		£0.62	£1.78	£2.58
balazar	Call		£0.58	£2.36	£4.00
Turn
		10
balazar	Check
Deadluck	All-in		£6.43	£8.79	£0.00
CatNip	Fold
balazar	All-in		£4.00	£12.79	£0.00
Deadluck	Unmatched bet		£2.43	£10.36	£2.43
balazar	Show	5 3
Deadluck	Show	6 6
River
		9
balazar	Win	Straight to the 7	£9.85		£9.85

salazar

Can't see anything wrong with this. I like the raise pre, i do it with small pairs too, Nice re-raise on the flop. The only thing i would question was the shove on the turn. You want to bet for value and give flush draws the wrong price but half on the turn and the rest on the river i would have liked more. As it turned out, the guy probably would have come back over the top of that bet and shoved you in anyway.


Salazar

N1CK

its hard to put him on 3 5 lol, im not sure why you shoved the turn? ones got 2.58 the other 4.00, im looking to get a turn bet called so id bet 2.40, the shoves ok if you know hes calling it.

unknown_username

I shoved the turn because he was calling on any draw, gutshots etc and any kind of pair. Got needled in the chatbox a bit too

unknown_username

I'm raising with most PP unless im in the blinds in a limped pot. a) it loads for the pot for when I hit and b) i can outplay people if I have position.

salazar

i think the problem with shoving the turn is that a lot of the hands you want to get a call from run away. you might get a call with a flush draw from some people but a lot would fold. The only hands that are defo calling your shove bet are 44, 77, 58, 53 and 89 and at that point you're not doing well against any but the 44.
You want over pairs, 2 pair, f/d's and hands like 55 to come along for the wrong price, that's why i would have liked a pot bet on the turn.

salazar

unknown_username

Same guy - can i get away here?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
trotman01	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.32
Deadluck	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£8.21
	Your hole cards	9 4
SWAMPSTER	Fold
nutz99	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£6.16
joanne1969	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.36
balazar	Call		£0.04	£0.18	£6.37
trotman01	Fold
Deadluck	Check
Flop
		J 4 4
Deadluck	Bet		£0.14	£0.32	£8.07
nutz99	Call		£0.14	£0.46	£6.02
joanne1969	Fold
balazar	Call		£0.14	£0.60	£6.23
Turn
		9
Deadluck	Bet		£0.36	£0.96	£7.71
nutz99	Call		£0.36	£1.32	£5.66
balazar	Call		£0.36	£1.68	£5.87
River
		Q
Deadluck	Bet		£1.68	£3.36	£6.03
nutz99	Fold
balazar	All-in		£5.87	£9.23	£0.00
Deadluck	Call		£4.19	£13.42	£1.84
Deadluck	Show	9 4
balazar	Show	Q 4
balazar	Win	Full House, 4s and Queens	£12.75		£12.75

salazar

The simple answer is no, you can't get away. 
Try not to worry about the end result. Just ask yourself did i do everything right, win or lose. I found that when i started looking at poker from this point of view, the beats hurt a little less. I certainly think you did everything right this hand.

Salazar

unknown_username

I tell others that too.

I got Zeebo'd!

salazar

In Response to Re: Unfoldable? Correct to shove?:

I tell others that too. I got Zeebo'd!
Posted by Deadluck

Yeah i've seen that, probably true on a paired board but i don't think so when there's 3 of a kind on the board.
e.g  A8887

You should be able to get away from this with 67 if it starts going crazy.

unknown_username

Of course! There are exceptions.

dantb10

I dont get away in either spot dude.

Just coolers. The turn shove in the first hand isnt that bad if you know your oppo like you did.

Just reload and go again, this sort of thing shouldnt bother you as imo you did nothing wrong and to fold either one of these in the long run is not profitable.

unknown_username

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
richar1947	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.34
siarc	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£15.11
i7	Big blind		£0.04	£0.10	£1.56
	Your hole cards	7 7
Whiskyjazz	Call		£0.04	£0.14	£2.37
i7	Check
Deadluck	Raise		£0.28	£0.42	£9.75
rdf	Call		£0.28	£0.70	£4.96
richar1947	Call		£0.26	£0.96	£5.08
siarc	Call		£0.24	£1.20	£14.87
Whiskyjazz	Fold
i7	Fold
Flop
		J 7 K
richar1947	Check
siarc	Bet		£0.20	£1.40	£14.67
Deadluck	Raise		£1.40	£2.80	£8.35
rdf	Call		£1.40	£4.20	£3.56
richar1947	Fold
siarc	Fold
Turn
		9
Deadluck	Bet		£4.20	£8.40	£4.15
rdf	All-in		£3.56	£11.96	£0.00
Deadluck	Unmatched bet		£0.64	£11.32	£4.79
Deadluck	Show	7 7
rdf	Show	10 Q
River
		5
rdf	Win	Straight to the King	£10.76		£10.76

unknown_username

Only hand im practically losing to is QT right? But he could of had any K, KJ, or a club draw.

Again my flopped set which should be a juicy pot to win is outdrawn. Where's my paired boards!!

Dudeskin8

Played em all right, just some sick luck.

unknown_username

I apologise for the bad beat posts, I have won some big pots too today (down 2buyins total atm) but in all i've been the victim of the redraws or coolers a fair bit.

BlackFish3

stop being such a donk then. You play bad.