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hit trip 4's and lost to trip 9's should I be going all in each time I hit low trips, any numbers or

edited August 2015 in The Poker Clinic



Hand History #937645400 (23:49 16/08/2015)

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Marcusb169 Small blind  600.00 600.00 76677.50
Snotface13 Big blind  1200.00 1800.00 44220.00
  Your hole cards
  • 4
  • 4
     
IH8PALACE Raise  2400.00 4200.00 15496.00
chapperman Fold     
Rableno Call  2400.00 6600.00 85482.00
henners10 Fold     
Marcusb169 Call  1800.00 8400.00 74877.50
Snotface13 Call  1200.00 9600.00 43020.00
Flop
   
  • 4
  • J
  • 2
     
Marcusb169 Check     
Snotface13 Check     
IH8PALACE Check     
Rableno Bet  4800.00 14400.00 80682.00
Marcusb169 Call  4800.00 19200.00 70077.50
Snotface13 Fold     
IH8PALACE Fold     
Turn
   
  • 9
     
Marcusb169 Check     
Rableno Bet  9600.00 28800.00 71082.00
Marcusb169 Raise  25200.00 54000.00 44877.50
Rableno All-in  71082.00 125082.00 0.00
Marcusb169 All-in  44877.50 169959.50 0.00
Rableno Unmatched bet  10604.50 159355.00 10604.50
Marcusb169 Show
  • 4
  • 4
   
Rableno Show
  • 9
  • 9
   
River
   
  • A
     
Rableno Win Three 9s 159355.00

Comments

  • edited August 2015

    Morning MarcusB.

    I don't know the numbers or percentages, but set over set is so rare (in NLH) that we should just discount it from our thinking really - it is extremely rare, & when it occurs, our hand is ungetoffable. It's just bad luck in a way. I say "in a way" because we got lucky to out-flop the 9-9, then unlucky to get out-turned. Even in PLO, where we hit sets for fun, it's quite unusual.

    Nothing you could have done, either, the board was fairly dry apart from the flush draw, & I doubt 9-9 man folds to one over.

    On a very wet flop, yes, maybe we should play it faster, but J-4-2, nope, the play was fine imo. The rivered Ace would normally be a great card for you, it hits so many ranges, & you'd likely get the lot against most villains, if we assume 9-9 man was not in the hand.
     
    Sometimes players over-think these situations. It was just a bit unlucky, a cooler as the kids say, forget it, keep playing as you are, & all will be well.
     
  • edited August 2015


    Say you took small pocket pairs out of your sb calling range .no more 22-88 .

    It would mean your less likely to get out tripped. But you would be missing tons of oppourtunities where you would have hit your trips and got paid off.
  • edited August 2015


    Agree with mumsie.
     
    It's worth trying to hit those small sets, even if, once every x thousand times, we get out-setted.

    We can SEE possible straights, we can SEE possible flushes, the board needs to have a certain texture. Sets are hidden, & we can bust people with sets far more easily than any other hand.
    If someone holds Aces on a 10-7-2 flop, & we have 2-2 in our hand, is Aces man ever folding?

    Persevere with them, & if you get the occasional over set, too bad.
     
  • edited August 2015
    +1 to above.

    Fwiw, as you wanted the maths behind it...

    If we give him a reasonable range to do this with, probably like AJ/KJ, all the sets (minus 44 cos he can't have it), JJ/99/22, J9 probably the only reasonable 2pr then some reasonable draws like A5ss, QTdd, QTss, A9ss, T8ss, KQss. Against those hands we are dead on 83% favourite to win the hand.
      
      Equity Win Tie  
    MP2  83.00%  83.00%  0.00% 4d4c
    MP3  17.00%  17.00%  0.00% JJ, 99, 22, AJs, KJs, J9s, KsQs, QdTd, QsTs, As9s, Ts8s, As5s, AJo, KJo, J9o

    There's also a decent chance he 3bets JJ too which means it's even less likely he has one of the few hands that crushes us. If you did remove JJ from that range we become an 88% favourite
  • edited August 2015
    i dont have many skills in poker but the one i would really love is to see when someones flopped a set v your over pair so hard so sniff a set out ! i would probably bet the flop as flush draw is already there ! unlucky marcus
  • edited August 2015
    this is a set vs a set not trips u could fold trips but not a set here very hard to 
  • edited August 2015
                                                            Hi,
                                                               Theres nothing wrong about set-mining but when they are low n u hit the flop but the board was dry apart from a flush draw so I think a decent half pot-ish bet wouldn't go amiss to suss out who might have a hand.With only one over card out it would take a serious bet to get the villain off and same goes for anyone with a flush draw.
                    You just got unlucky on the turn.I don't have the figures but it was rare to have set on set like that so don't let it get to you and keep your game balanced by not thinking about this scenario next time you're in a similar situation.
                                                                                        Run well mate,
                                                                                                             Jim
  • edited August 2015
    unless the opponents has 1 card  and uses 3 of the community to make his quads then NEVER should you be folding quads you should be happy to call everytime
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