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is the turn a pass

edited August 2015 in The Poker Clinic
would u pass turn also what u think of flop play.

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  • edited August 2015

    Hand History #940085230 (23:48 24/08/2015)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    SweetTreat Small blind   1000.00 1000.00 23756.69
    Crookland Big blind   2000.00 3000.00 46588.78
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    TELLO-210 Fold        
    rspca12 Raise   4000.00 7000.00 74599.50
    pacmeist07 Fold        
    johnny_e Fold        
    SweetTreat Fold        
    Crookland Call   2000.00 9000.00 44588.78
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 6
    • 8
         
    Crookland Bet   4000.00 13000.00 40588.78
    rspca12 Raise   16000.00 29000.00 58599.50
    Crookland Call   12000.00 41000.00 28588.78
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    Crookland All-in   28588.78 69588.78 0.00
    rspca12 Fold        
    Crookland Muck        
    Crookland Win   41000.00   41000.00
    Crookland Return   28588.78 0.00 69588.78
  • edited August 2015
    Folding is probably fine without reads. Flop play is fine but maybe not optimal. Leads can often mean different things... sometimes a player is weak, sometimes they have mid/top pair and other times they have flopped huge. Raising big just makes it impossible for you to then get away from your hand a) if villain ships or b) cause it makes it just so tempting to just flat since money is bound to go in OTT. 

    If we raise smaller we can potentially get away if villain then 3b us on the flop if you think they're a player that always just has us beat in that spot. It also means we can raise smaller as a bluff. If there was a FD on the flop then sizing it like you did to ship turn would be perfect but with no FD playing through the streets is going to be better IMO.
  • edited August 2015
    Like Ivanovic says donk leads can mean different things but I'm still happy getting it in with queens this deep on this board texture. I would make it 11k and call a shove/ shove blank turns if he flats.
    I think 11k does the same job as 16k except we lose less on unfavourable turn cards.
    When he donk jams the turn I don't think you beat much anymore and i doubt he just jams a hand like 89 or T8 now. I would imagine that he had something like 87.
  • edited August 2015
    As played yeh think turn is a fold.

    Flatting flop or raising is fine, but think if we raise as people have said above it needs to be quite a lot smaller.
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