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BET SIZING LITERATURE

GILLS69GILLS69
edited November 2015 in Poker Chat
                       HI all,
                                Are there any books out there that specialise in bet sizing?
                                                                                                                   I've a good grasp on the game(Hold em/Omaha) but often wonder I might gain more chips in certain scenarios.I often err on the side of caution that could have maybe swelled my stack.
                                    Any thoughts would be appreciated,
                                                                                       Jim
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  • Tikay10Tikay10
    edited November 2015


    It's not really a subject that would fill a book, Jim, & the Boys will be along shortly to advise better than me.

    It's quite simple at our level.

    Ask yourself, first, WHY ARE WE BETTING?

    1) To protect our hand?

    2) To build the pot?

    3) To bluff?

    4) To maximise what we get paid.

    5) To make a "blocker" bet? 

    6) To buy a cheap card?

    And remember, above all - if we think we have the best hand, the cardinal sin is to lose your customer. So if we have, say, J-J, it's probably the best hand - don't go scaring everyone away because "I hate Jacks" or any of that nonsense. 
     
    The best players get the SAME CARDS as we do do - they just get paid more, so we must learn to value-bet. 

    Good luck.  
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  • yuranASSetyuranASSet
    edited November 2015
    I'd like to add that taking notes on the weaker players at the table is important for value betting thingly. Keep an eye out for the ones that are doing backward floats (oop then check calling) for gutshots. there is a lot of money to be made noting that they shouldn't be bluffed but instead thin value betted. 

    The amount of chips that can be accumulated  when say we open the Btn ATo, SB Folds, BB checks flop KT8r if I have history on the BB that would tend to say something like "BF (Backward Floats) GS (Gutshot) or BDFD (Back door Flush Draw)" generally just abbreviated to "BF GS, BDFD" then we should be firing two barrels and possible checking the river once he checks in front. All two often they will be showing up with 76o and Ax suited holdings that we can extract value from. 
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: BET SIZING LITERATURE:
    I'd like to add that taking notes on the weaker players at the table is important for value betting thingly. Keep an eye out for the ones that are doing backward floats (oop then check calling) for gutshots. there is a lot of money to be made noting that they shouldn't be bluffed but instead thin value betted.  The amount of chips that can be accumulated  when say we open the Btn ATo, SB Folds, BB checks flop KT8r if I have history on the BB that would tend to say something like "BF (Backward Floats) GS (Gutshot) or BDFD (Back door Flush Draw)" generally just abbreviated to "BF GS, BDFD" then we should be firing two barrels and possible checking the river once he checks in front. All two often they will be showing up with 76o and Ax suited holdings that we can extract value from. 
    Posted by yuranASSet
    This bit interests me greatly, I do this a ton of times and I'm convinced I'm losing value here when I should be barreling again. On the plus side I suppose im gaining notes in this spot.
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  • craigcu12craigcu12
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: BET SIZING LITERATURE:
    In Response to Re: BET SIZING LITERATURE : This bit interests me greatly, I do this a ton of times and I'm convinced I'm losing value here when I should be barreling again. On the plus side I suppose im gaining notes in this spot.
    Posted by mumsie
    I think the key to a river value bet come from notes about his his aggression with 2 pair+ on flop and turn and how likely it is he'll 3bet bluff a river scare card. Also as time goes on this can provide you with better ideas as to weather or not a triple barrell bluff will gain value or lose value when your broad way cards missed.
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  • yuranASSetyuranASSet
    edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: BET SIZING LITERATURE:
    In Response to Re: BET SIZING LITERATURE : This bit interests me greatly, I do this a ton of times and I'm convinced I'm losing value here when I should be barreling again. On the plus side I suppose im gaining notes in this spot.
    Posted by mumsie
    It really is circumstantial Mumsie which is why I do interject the word possible before that statement. In the above example I havn't played out the other two cards. I'm also suggesting that villain is a weak player, if Back floating for GS or BDFD then we can also add in any Kx hand here that he's not completely happy calling two barrels with. Then a value bet on the river actually becomes a bluff which very likely they ain't folding to. 

    We need to play around with it and most of it is very dependent on the board, but like you say, it's a very thin line but I reckon that the rare times they call with worse are outweighed by the times we get called with a K.
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited November 2015

    Thanks for your comments, im still a beginner

    Back on track to OPs Question.

    I dont know of any books that just deal with this.


    Two book i have that have  chapters  on the subject.

    Hole Card Confessions    and
    Poker Math That Matters
    By
    Owen Gaines






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  • GILLS69GILLS69
    edited November 2015
    IHn Response to Re: BET SIZING LITERATURE:
    It's not really a subject that would fill a book, Jim, & the Boys will be along shortly to advise better than me. It's quite simple at our level. Ask yourself, first, WHY ARE WE BETTING? 1) To protect our hand? 2) To build the pot? 3) To bluff? 4) To maximise what we get paid. 5) To make a "blocker" bet?  6) To buy a cheap card? And remember, above all - if we think we have the best hand, the cardinal sin is to lose your customer. So if we have, say, J-J, it's probably the best hand - don't go scaring everyone away because "I hate Jacks" or any of that nonsense.    The best players get the SAME CARDS as we do do - they just get paid more, so we must learn to value-bet.  Good luck.  
    Posted by Tikay10
                              Hi tony,
                                         I know this has so many variables but I would love a book that covers so many variables.I'm talking chip stacks/pot size/position and how many in the pot or how close to cash places we are etc.
                                          Sounds like an idea for an epic tome (hee)
                                                                                                       Jim

                                                                ps. Gonna speak to Duncan Banatyne for book deal. lol
                                                            
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited November 2015
    I think you could write a book on bet sizing tbh, it's such a huuuuuge topic if you really drill down into it. 

    I wrote a thread about bet sizing a while ago, it's just the real basics but I'm sure a lot of people can take something from it. I hope you find it useful cos it was a nightmare to find!

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