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Why you should tell Customer Care

edited December 2015 in Poker Chat

"Customer Care always ask dumb questions".

It's a volume business, so the Customer Care staff - who look after all of SB&G, not just poker, are given a pre-scripted list of responses & questions. That list has been formulated based on a record of all incoming calls to the Contact Centre in the last x years.
 
It really is frustrating when things go wrong, we all know that. 

Sky Poker, & all of SB&G, are determined to make the Customer Experience better, & by reporting these problems or issues, you are helping them give you a better service.
 
They even do an internal weekly report - "Making Gaming Better", where any problems are highlighted, as well as noting what may need doing, or has been done, to address any issues.  
 

Comments

  • edited November 2015

    Good morning.
     
    We do see threads from time to time, complaining of, say, connection issues.

    Here's a typical example, but there are many others;

    https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat:57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum:df77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion:81c77183-945d-49bb-9b69-80cbf384c4d2


    When you experience these sort of issues, please make sure you report them to Customer Care.

    When you do, they are obliged to log them, & report them to a Member of the Poker Team. And once he or she receives that report, they are obliged to investigate the complaint, to see if others had the same problem, & then, on a weekly basis, list all the complaints, & state to Senior Management what, if anything, they have done about it.

    They have targets, too - "how many complaints received", "how many were resolved", that sort of thing. Customer Care, which works right across SB&G, log & report - daily - on all contacts received.
     
    So if you don't make them aware, in most cases, they will not even be aware there was a (perceived) problem.
     
    On a typical evening, as you know, there will be 3,000 to 4,000 players online. If only ONE complains, it's not unreasonable to assume there is not a general problem.
     
    However, if 20, 50 or 100 complain, then it's clear there may well be an issue. It's also possible to start the diagnosis from these complaints. If, for example, all the calls were from players on one particular broadband provider, that sometimes explains the problem.   

    When these issues are posted on the Forum, they do NOT go into the system at all,. there is no formal procedure for measuring service issues from Forum Posts. I do generally send them up, but not as part of any official methodology.
     
    So you are helping yourself AND Sky Poker by making any issues known to Customer Care. 
  • edited November 2015
    I think that in general Customer Care do a very good job. I think that if you approach problems in the right way they will be very helpful. 
    Being able to speak to someone and quickly is a big plus. This certainly isn't the case with plenty of other sites.

    There are a few things which can be annoying though and I think that these are the times when people take to the forum.
    Sky DOES suffer from disconnections more than any other site that I play on. When you have other sites up and running plus YouTube, Skype etc getting the "no problems here must be your end" standard response is very irritating.

    I think having more poker aware staff would be a good thing. Quite often you speak to someone who doesn't appear to know enough about poker to be able to assist properly
  • edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    I think that in general Customer Care do a very good job. I think that if you approach problems in the right way they will be very helpful.  Being able to speak to someone and quickly is a big plus. This certainly isn't the case with plenty of other sites. There are a few things which can be annoying though and I think that these are the times when people take to the forum. Sky DOES suffer from disconnections more than any other site that I play on. When you have other sites up and running plus YouTube, Skype etc getting the "no problems here must be your end" standard response is very irritating. I think having more poker aware staff would be a good thing. Quite often you speak to someone who doesn't appear to know enough about poker to be able to assist properly
    Posted by Jac35
    Yes, I can imagine it can be very irritating, but unless you tell them, they never know. And when you tell them, it gets logged, reported on, & if need be, actioned. Putting it on the forum does help vent the frustration, yes, but it does not actually achieve much. Yes, I do try to send all those threads upstairs, (they must dread getting e-Mails from me, I'm a prolific e-Mail writer....) but that's an informal thing, & it does not slot into the reporting system.  
  • edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    I think that in general Customer Care do a very good job. I think that if you approach problems in the right way they will be very helpful.  Being able to speak to someone and quickly is a big plus. This certainly isn't the case with plenty of other sites. There are a few things which can be annoying though and I think that these are the times when people take to the forum. Sky DOES suffer from disconnections more than any other site that I play on. When you have other sites up and running plus YouTube, Skype etc getting the "no problems here must be your end" standard response is very irritating. I think having more poker aware staff would be a good thing. Quite often you speak to someone who doesn't appear to know enough about poker to be able to assist properly
    Posted by Jac35
    That's an interesting one, so let's look at the context.

    Firstly, the Contact Centre is "in-house", it is not delegated to an external third party.
     
    It serves ALL of SB&G, & that is a very big, & high volume site indeed, there are often several hundred thousand people on site at any one time, particularly in busy periods. CC have to try to serve all of them, not just poker.
     
    The staff do have training for each part of the site - Bet, Vegas, Casino, Bingo, & Poker, but it's quite a wide brief, so yes, they would struggle to master them all, & certainly, few of them would understand poker to the extent we as poker players do. Very few people could master such a wide brief.

    Should or could they have a dedicated "Poker CC"?

    Well it would be nice, yes, but that's a tall order.
     
    Poker is 24/7, so that's three staff to cover a 24 hour day. Add one more for holidays & sickness, now that's 4.
     
    What would do they do during the quiet periods, during, say, the mornings? Not much. Actually, nothing at all over 99% of the time. It's not easy to justify the cost for staff to sit there twiddling their thumbs.

    But during the evening, if, say, an unscheduled Outage occurs, would one be sufficient? Absolutely not, they would need a room full if the queues are not to build up. So more would be needed in the evenings.
     
    And the reality is, almost all of the time, they would have nothing to do. And very occasionally, 6 or 7 would not be enough.

    It's a fair question Paul, & I hope that goes some way towards explaining how it works, & why it is done the way it is.
     
      
     
  • edited November 2015
    I take your point to a degree but....

    When I ring up I don't care that the person i speak to is well trained in bingo etc. I want them to be able to help me with a poker related problem.

    If I have at ticket problem at Derby I'm not too bothered if the person on the other end could also teach me to ballet dance. As you say the business is huge. Surely 2 or 3 dedicated poker people would be doable?
  • edited November 2015


    ^^^^

    Well for the "connection issue" queries, they don't need to be au fait with poker, they need a knowledge of the SB&G platform, & the internet generally.

    At a guess, how many contacts specifically related to poker (excluding connection issues) do you think they get on an average day? 5, 10? Hard to justify 4 full time staff for that, for the reasons I outlined in my previous post. 
     
    You can play with numbers, but assume x contacts per day, & the cost per annum of 4 full time staff. Now turn that into "cost per contact".

    Ultimately, the spend pie can only be cut so many ways. Spend more on the Contact Centre, & that means less gets spent elsewhere, on, say, Promos & Marketing.
     
    It's a tricky balance. There's no absolute right or wrong in these things.

    I genuinely think they do a pretty good job of Customer Care, especially compared to some sites. But I suppose I would. ;)  

     
     
  • edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    ^^^^ Well for the "connection issue" queries, they don't need to be au fait with poker, they need a knowledge of the SB&G platform, & the internet generally. At a guess, how many contacts specifically related to poker (excluding connection issues) do you think they get on an average day? 5, 10? Hard to justify 4 full time staff for that, for the reasons I outlined in my previous post.    You can play with numbers, but assume x contacts per day, & the cost per annum of 4 full time staff. Now turn that into "cost per contact". Ultimately, the spend pie can only be cut so many ways. Spend more on the Contact Centre, & that means less gets spent elsewhere, on, say, Promos & Marketing.   It's a tricky balance. There's no absolute right or wrong in these things. I genuinely think they do a pretty good job of Customer Care, especially compared to some sites. But I suppose I would. ;)      
    Posted by Tikay10
    Totally agree as I did say in my first post
  • edited November 2015

    I make a point of always reporting any connection issues I have (admittedly, only if I am badly affected) and I think they do a great job (I heve expressed this several times on the feedback thread, so hopefully this is passed on).

    I do get somewhat frustrated when I am made to feel the fault is always at my end (whilst other sites and utilities are running perfectly well) and CC are doing me a favour refunding any buy in etc (often less rake I might add).4

    Please don't take this as a negative post, as I said at the start I think they do a great job, and lately many seem to have more understanding of poker. In the past trying to explain that even a very short break at the wrong time (dym bubble, large blinds etc etc) can be extremely detrimental was painful, recently not so much.

    Neil
  • edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : That's an interesting one, so let's look at the context. Firstly, the Contact Centre is "in-house", it is not delegated to an external third party.   It serves ALL of SB&G, & that is a very big, & high volume site indeed, there are often several hundred thousand people on site at any one time, particularly in busy periods. CC have to try to serve all of them, not just poker.   The staff do have training for each part of the site - Bet, Vegas, Casino, Bingo, & Poker, but it's quite a wide brief, so yes, they would struggle to master them all, & certainly, few of them would understand poker to the extent we as poker players do. Very few people could master such a wide brief. Should or could they have a dedicated "Poker CC"? Well it would be nice, yes, but that's a tall order.   Poker is 24/7, so that's three staff to cover a 24 hour day. Add one more for holidays & sickness, now that's 4.   What would do they do during the quiet periods, during, say, the mornings? Not much. Actually, nothing at all over 99% of the time. It's not easy to justify the cost for staff to sit there twiddling their thumbs. But during the evening, if, say, an unscheduled Outage occurs, would one be sufficient? Absolutely not, they would need a room full if the queues are not to build up. So more would be needed in the evenings.   And the reality is, almost all of the time, they would have nothing to do. And very occasionally, 6 or 7 would not be enough. It's a fair question Paul, & I hope that goes some way towards explaining how it works, & why it is done the way it is.       
    Posted by Tikay10
    I am sure players would be fine if 

    they had a small wait when getting through to customer care if it meant they could speak to someone more knowldegeable
    they had a poker related query at a non peak time and there wasn't an expert around to help them

    Based on this you provide extra training to a couple of staff who would be available during peak hours and who would deal with normal queries as well as poker related ones. 


  • edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : I am sure players would be fine if  they had a small wait when getting through to customer care if it meant they could speak to someone more knowldegeable they had a poker related query at a non peak time and there wasn't an expert around to help them Based on this you provide extra training to a couple of staff who would be available during peak hours and who would deal with normal queries as well as poker related ones. 
    Posted by MattBates
    We have a couple of pretty good Poker Players working in the contact centre.

    One thing we have started doing, is assigning emails relating to poker, to the people more knowledgeable on poker, whenever possible.

    There's obviously times where you need to get in touch straight away, where a phonecall or chat is best, but this really is luck of the draw.

    If your query is less urgent, send it in an email, and you're more likely to have a "poker expert" deal with it.

    Tikay sums it up perfectly though, as always.
  • edited November 2015
    I have been on Sky for years, and they are one of the few sites where Customer Care has improved over the years. CC in poker is notoriously poor over the whole industry and I would say Sky is now one of the best
  • edited November 2015

    i think cc care for sky poker is the best around.i have only had to ring them twice since i joined,the very first time was not long after i joined,and if i am honest i had no clue how to find the tables, what type of game i should play so and so on.the guy at the other end of the phone spent a hour with me showing me what i should do how to find a table that would best suit me even to a point where he realised i had a problem with my computer,and talked me through how to fix it,now that is what i call looking after your customer.so thank you sky customer care for all your help over the years xxxx:):)

  • edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    i think cc care for sky poker is the best around.i have only had to ring them twice since i joined,the very first time was not long after i joined,and if i am honest i had no clue how to find the tables, what type of game i should play so and so on.the guy at the other end of the phone spent a hour with me showing me what i should do how to find a table that would best suit me even to a point where he realised i had a problem with my computer,and talked me through how to fix it,now that is what i call looking after your customer.so thank you sky customer care for all your help over the years xxxx:):)
    Posted by paige55
    Great to hear Paige!

    I know it's a long shot, but can you remember who you were speaking to on that occasion?

  • edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : Great to hear Paige! I know it's a long shot, but can you remember who you were speaking to on that occasion?
    Posted by Sky_JP
    sorry i cannot remember his name,one thing i do no is he was young maybe 25 years old and seemed to no alot about how to help a beginner to play poker, and very good at detecting a computer fault that i did not even no i had
  • edited November 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : sorry i cannot remember his name,one thing i do no is he was young maybe 25 years old and seemed to no alot about how to help a beginner to play poker, and very good at detecting a computer fault that i did not even no i had
    Posted by paige55
    No problem! Just happy to hear of such a good experience.

    Unfortunately, your description sums up the majority of people in the contact centre!
  • edited November 2015
    Customer care will thank you for destroying its service levels Tikay lol.


  • edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : No problem! Just happy to hear of such a good experience. Unfortunately, your description sums up the majority of people in the contact centre!
    Posted by Sky_JP
    Takes you out of the equation tho as the possible helper :P
  • edited December 2015
    One of the problems with this is that just to tell them that you disconnected or something you have to answer a bunch of securtiy questions! you shouldn't need to give your life story for simple problems, no other site makes you. Please consider updating the CC dialogue!
  • edited December 2015
    One of the problems with this is that just to tell them that you disconnected or something you have to answer a bunch of securtiy questions! you shouldn't need to give your life tory for simple problems, no other site makes you. Please consider updating the CC dialogue!
  • edited December 2015
    In Response to Why you should tell Customer Care:
    Good morning.   We do see threads from time to time, complaining of, say, connection issues. Here's a typical example, but there are many others; https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=show_static&page=poker_community_forums&plckForumPage=ForumDiscussion&plckDiscussionId=Cat%3a57795ac2-1793-4377-b4cf-e124b0f555f4Forum%3adf77f82c-151f-4bea-aae1-fb423dcae1faDiscussion%3a81c77183-945d-

    I see you referred to a thread I made. At the time I got knocked out of the tournament it was late and I was tired disappointed and frustrated, the last thing I wanted to do was spend X amount of time talking to customer support having to justify the fact that my internet was working fine but sky poker was not. By the time morning came I didn't see the point in bringing it up. 

  • edited December 2015


    ^^^^

    Morning Mr Groggy,

    I can well understand your angst, especially at that particular moment. 

    Please rest assured in NO WAY was I dissing you, or having a pop. Fact is, it's becoming a problem, & has been for some time, so for the last week or two, I have been waiting for an example to use so that I could try to explain to everyone why it is important that if they have site issues, they should report them to Customer Care. Your thread was a perfect case in point, so I used that, but it was not intended to be a criticism of you personally.

    Unless Customer Care get to hear about these problems, then the system interrogation cannot take place, & nothing gets reported, diagnosed, & where appropriate, fixed.
     
    I hope the whole thread has been of benefit & use, & I note that players did exactly that last night, HERE, & it did the job a treat.
     
    So I think the thread has served it's purpose.
  • edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : We have a couple of pretty good Poker Players working in the contact centre. One thing we have started doing, is assigning emails relating to poker, to the people more knowledgeable on poker, whenever possible. There's obviously times where you need to get in touch straight away, where a phonecall or chat is best, but this really is luck of the draw. If your query is less urgent, send it in an email, and you're more likely to have a "poker expert" deal with it. Tikay sums it up perfectly though, as always.
    Posted by Sky_JP
    Ha, blind squirrels & all that. Put it down to run good.
  • edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    One of the problems with this is that just to tell them that you disconnected or something you have to answer a bunch of securtiy questions! you shouldn't need to give your life story for simple problems, no other site makes you. Please consider updating the CC dialogue!
    Posted by chiggypig
    Hi Chiggy,

    Yes, I can imagine it is a tad irritating, but I'm afraid is it not likely to change, & they will always need to verify the identity of the caller for a whole multitude of reasons, especially those around "Compliance". Personal account details may be discussed, s& if so, they are absolutely obliged by regulation, DPA, & good business practice to verify identity. The system would be open to widespread abuse otherwise.
     
    Other sites don't do that? I'm very surprised indeed if that is the case. They have a legal obligation to verify ID when discussing account & player issues.
     
    Anyway, let's hope everything is tickety-boo in future, & you don't have cause to contact them again. That'd be the nut result.
     
  • edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : Takes you out of the equation tho as the possible helper :P
    Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Sighhh.
  • edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : Takes you out of the equation tho as the possible helper :P
    Posted by F_Ivanovic
    Sighhh.
  • edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : Hi Chiggy, Yes, I can imagine it is a tad irritating, but I'm afraid is it not likely to change, & they will always need to verify the identity of the caller for a whole multitude of reasons, especially those around "Compliance". Personal account details may be discussed, s& if so, they are absolutely obliged by regulation, DPA, & good business practice to verify identity. The system would be open to widespread abuse otherwise.   Other sites don't do that? I'm very surprised indeed if that is the case. They have a legal obligation to verify ID when discussing account & player issues.   Anyway, let's hope everything is tickety-boo in future, & you don't have cause to contact them again. That'd be the nut result.  
    Posted by Tikay10
    For example the other day the satellite i was in gave me the wrong tournament on another site, when I went to CC they didn't ask me any details, and why should they have to when I'm not gaining access to any of my details or telling them to change any?
  • edited December 2015
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care:
    In Response to Re: Why you should tell Customer Care : For example the other day the satellite i was in gave me the wrong tournament on another site, when I went to CC they didn't ask me any details, and why should they have to when I'm not gaining access to any of my details or telling them to change any?
    Posted by chiggypig
    How could they know it was you contacting them,  & not an imposter up to mischief?

    I think that here at Sky Poker, the default will usually be to verify ID.

    Anyway, never mind that, this was on another site? There are OTHER SITES?

    Outrageous.
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