55BH - Small Flopped FD 3way

Lambert180

Still fighting the battle to get some discussion going back in the clinic so gonna post this and another one from the 55BH (the slower one)...

X is a pretty tight, ABC reg
Y is a rec that's a bit too loose/stationy pre and post

Assume we're all just flatting flop, can't really rep many value hands by raising, we don't have any 2pr and prob don't raise any Kx so is would 22/33 so a flop raise will be too weighted towards air and FDs imo. What do you think?

Do we stab turn when both check or take the free card?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
johnny_e	Small blind		75.00	75.00	2950.00
ALMAJL	Big blind		150.00	225.00	1550.00
	Your hole cards	8 6
X	Raise		300.00	525.00	8565.00
Y	Call		300.00	825.00	7421.25
Lambert180	Call		300.00	1125.00	8990.00
johnny_e	Call		225.00	1350.00	2725.00
ALMAJL	Fold
Flop
		3 K 2
johnny_e	Check
X	Bet		675.00	2025.00	7890.00
Y	Call		675.00	2700.00	6746.25
Lambert180	Call		675.00	3375.00	8315.00
johnny_e	Fold
Turn
		2
X	Check
Y	Check
Lambert180	Check
River
		2
X	Check
Y	Bet		1500.00	4875.00	5246.25

RLT16

 i'm probably not best person to commment but i like that ur trying to get this place buzzing again so may aswell start us off. 

i thinking checking behind has to be the best option x is an abc reg so hes going to have a lot of k's in his range and i dont see him folding many of them here. and after you only call the flop its going to be hard for you to represent a strong K or surely you'd of raised the flop to isolate?

raising may get Y to fold but as you've desribed him as a bit loose do u really want him to fold? surely its better to check behind hope to hit your Flush and for him to do exactly what hes done on the river putting out a 1/2 pot bet.

i just dont see any benifits to stabbing the turn personally.

anyway look forward to everyone elses views, and myne being torn apart

Lambert180

In Response to Re: 55BH - Small Flopped FD 3way:

 i'm probably not best person to commment but i like that ur trying to get this place buzzing again so may aswell start us off.  i thinking checking behind has to be the best option x is an abc reg so hes going to have a lot of k's in his range and i dont see him folding many of them here. and after you only call the flop its going to be hard for you to represent a strong K or surely you'd of raised the flop to isolate? raising may get Y to fold but as you've desribed him as a bit loose do u really want him to fold? surely its better to check behind hope to hit your Flush and for him to do exactly what hes done on the river putting out a 1/2 pot bet. i just dont see any benifits to stabbing the turn personally. anyway look forward to everyone elses views, and myne being torn apart
Posted by RLT16

Nah anyone is free and good to comment imo, more view points on a hand can only be good.

The reason I considered the stab on the turn is cos I don't agree with the first bolded bit. He is very ABC, so he's just gonna keep on betting for value and not give free cards to FDs etc, so when he doesn't bet what is a very safe turn I don't think he ever has AA/AK/KQ, maybe he might pot control KJ/KT, and I don't think he opens many more Kx.

The downside to stabbing the turn is the other loose player who probably isn't folding turn and might not fold to another bet on the river that often either 

Fwiw, I wouldn't raise the flop with any hand I don't think. I wouldn't be raising 1pr, so my value raising range is pretty much 22/33 (cos I wouldn't flat any of the 2pr hands pre, and I wouldn't flat KK pre) so I just wouldn't raise any hands bluff or value here.

FeelGroggy

I did post but dont think it sent. I think we can definitely try steal it here. Maybe bet 2-2.4k to fold them off better fd's that dont have the odds to try and hit and mid pairs. Then jam when we hit flush and maybe bluff aces, fold if it blanks. Check also fine. depends on opponents. Very easily pfr has air and caller has marginal hand or a draw himself. If opponents stationy with draws w wrong odds would just check.

Definitely only calling flop here. we only ever get it in v stronger fd's and Kx

AMYBR

sexy temptation

But peeps super hate to fold these boards these days.

Think youre getting called super light if you get creative