what is going on!!!????

jakx85

So im at a cash table been there 3 to 4 hours improved my stack 4 fold..... nice game going on lts of friendly chat.... player joins, i say player im not sure it was a player!!! i get AA i 4 bet i get 2 callers  flop come 7 3 10 so i bet the pot i get 1 caller turn k i go all in £20+ i get called with 22?????????????????? river 2!!!! he hits set...... what the hell??? the guy calls £20 on 22 and basically goes on whipping the table everyone getting beat by just a kicker or something stupid..... this was my first real attempt at cash game..... how the hell am is uppose to go back and play again when ya getting beat like that.... i know under pairs can beat over pairs but who calls that really, other than bots... the table was going mad hence we all quit the table after losing so bad after all those hours of play..... i want to share some good stories some good hands but seems its quite hard to, so what do i do???? am i a bad loser??? or a bad player im thinking maybe a break for a few months as i dont come on here to play idiots/bots maybe im been a bit strong there but my god why cant i come to terms with that sh.t i was gob smacked to say the least.... thanks again sky from all the players ya placed the bot on

Tikay10

I moved this to "Cash Strategy" for you Jakx, though "Brags, Beats & Variance" may have been the correct Board.
 
My advice, if you can't take a beat without suggesting there is something improper about the site, is not to play cash.
 
Trying to figure why players do what may seem the oddest things is something that fascinates us all, but it is what it is, & ultimately, losing to an underpair is perfectly standard, it happens every day on every site to every player. If you play 3 or 4 hours every night, you will suffer bad beats every single night, without exception. That's just how poker works, & you are not alone in struggling to understand it. 

However, you have no right at all to suggest this site is run improperly, or that it permits "bots" just because you took a beat.     

Tikay10

PS - It was only just over 12 hours ago that you wrote this.....


".....ive done my fair share of moaning and will probably still moan at the bad beats but im not gonna think its rigged when i see live hands get dealt like that all the time....."


".....if someone wants to call you with a bad hand an win dont be to cut up about it,, make a note of the player and how loose they play, cash in on this later on...."

Nuggy962

In Response to what is going on!!!????:

So im at a cash table been there 3 to 4 hours improved my stack 4 fold..... nice game going on lts of friendly chat.... player joins, i say player im not sure it was a player!!! i get AA i 4 bet i get 2 callers  flop come 7 3 10 so i bet the pot i get 1 caller turn k i go all in £20+ i get called with 22?????????????????? river 2!!!! he hits set...... what the hell??? the guy calls £20 on 22 and basically goes on whipping the table everyone getting beat by just a kicker or something stupid..... this was my first real attempt at cash game..... how the hell am is uppose to go back and play again when ya getting beat like that.... i know under pairs can beat over pairs but who calls that really, other than bots... the table was going mad hence we all quit the table after losing so i want to share some good stories some good hands but seems its quite hard to, so what do i do???? am i a bad loser??? or a bad player im thinking maybe a break for a few months as i dont come on here to play idiots/bots maybe im been a bit strong there but my god why cant i come to terms with that sh.t i was gob smacked to say the least.... thanks again sky from all the players ya placed the bot on
Posted by jakx85

Interesting post sir

First two bolded areas are quite easy  - If you have played for between 3 and 4 hours and improved stack 4 fold - there must be some good hands and stories to share?  Please post up some of those hands would be great to see.

Bad loser vs bad player? well I can tell you - I am at times a very bad loser and that normally leads to me being a really bad player!! hand in hand really, they fit like a pair of cheap gloves.

Idiots / bots - well we want to play the idiots (people who call 22 on the turn) and the results, all though frustrating, are irrelavat as you did everything right to get it in as a huge favourite.  There will be times of course, as played, you will be up against a 2 pair hand and be a dog - until the board pairs on the river and you jump up and down for 10 seconds and completely forget your good fortune when you loose the very next orbit - human nature.

As for this bots idea (totally rubish) and further disproved by the 22 call.  a "bot" would surely play based soley on maths.  No one knows what the river is - is a random number generator so I doubt even the system itself knows the river until its time to act.   A bot would fold the flop, or if an aggro bot may of been tilting a had a fused circuit which lead to it punting it in, knowing was behind, praying for luck - and the old - whatever if we lost and simply reload.

There are some great threads on here - one TK has commented on that I can not find was a particually good read.  It pointed out that you could join a table, such as yours above, see a guy playing "speclitively" shall we say, get there on every hand and crush you all, what you do not see - his long term stats where is a loosing player, the table he / she fires up once you all quit and loose 10 BI.  

If getting tilted by the beats - drop levels, take breaks etc. I have learnt that the less the money matters (i.e. within bank role) less the beat, however anoying it may be.

Hope you see the light at end of tunnel - post some hands - let some pro's give you some tips - those who wish to progress will listen, those who think it is all a rigged game will sadly continue to loose and not enjoy the beauty of the game.

PS - I accidently joined a DYM omaha hi low - yo uwant to see ebats - play that - I had no idea how i won a hand with a set of AA but managed to loose half the pot to someone with 7 high - amazing game !!

 

Tikay10

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In Response to what is going on!!!???? : Interesting post sir First two bolded areas are quite easy  - If you have played for between 3 and 4 hours and improved stack 4 fold - there must be some good hands and stories to share?  Please post up some of those hands would be great to see. Bad loser vs bad player? well I can tell you - I am at times a very bad loser and that normally leads to me being a really bad player!! hand in hand really, they fit like a pair of cheap gloves. Idiots / bots - well we want to play the idiots (people who call 22 on the turn) and the results, all though frustrating, are irrelavat as you did everything right to get it in as a huge favourite.  There will be times of course, as played, you will be up against a 2 pair hand and be a dog - until the board pairs on the river and you jump up and down for 10 seconds and completely forget your good fortune when you loose the very next orbit - human nature. As for this bots idea (totally rubish) and further disproved by the 22 call.  a "bot" would surely play based soley on maths.  No one knows what the river is - is a random number generator so I doubt even the system itself knows the river until its time to act.   A bot would fold the flop, or if an aggro bot may of been tilting a had a fused circuit which lead to it punting it in, knowing was behind, praying for luck - and the old - whatever if we lost and simply reload. There are some great threads on here - one TK has commented on that I can not find was a particually good read.  It pointed out that you could join a table, such as yours above, see a guy playing "speclitively" shall we say, get there on every hand and crush you all, what you do not see - his long term stats where is a loosing player, the table he / she fires up once you all quit and loose 10 BI.   If getting tilted by the beats - drop levels, take breaks etc. I have learnt that the less the money matters (i.e. within bank role) less the beat, however anoying it may be. Hope you see the light at end of tunnel - post some hands - let some pro's give you some tips - those who wish to progress will listen, those who think it is all a rigged game will sadly continue to loose and not enjoy the beauty of the game. PS - I accidently joined a DYM omaha hi low - yo uwant to see ebats - play that - I had no idea how i won a hand with a set of AA but managed to loose half the pot to someone with 7 high - amazing game !!  
Posted by Nuggy962

Ha, if someone can't take a standard beat in NLH, they should NEVER venture near PLO or PLO8.

Last night I had, in different games, a straight flush & a royal flush. I got half the pot on both occasions. 

In a 30 game session, I reckon I have Aces beat at least 10 times. I beat Aces just as many times, too. In Omaha, they are never far ahead.
 
Poker is a game which shows our character. Beats will ALWAYS happen, to everyone, every night.
 
And did anyone, ever, win a MTT without outdrawing a few folks along the way? I very much doubt it.    

jakx85

Had a bad beat, bit too much of a rant really. ive slept now! we learn from it all i suppose never mind i dont think i will give up just yet..

jakx85

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Had a bad beat, bit too much of a rant really. ive slept now! we learn from it all i suppose never mind i dont think i will give up just yet..
Posted by jakx85

not***not give up just yet.

jakx85

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dr_Ibbs	Small blind		15.00	15.00	1895.00
Skip123	Big blind		30.00	45.00	4445.00
	Your hole cards	7 7
cenachav	Fold
royals69	Call		30.00	75.00	1992.50
eating	Call		30.00	105.00	1745.00
jakx85	Call		30.00	135.00	1685.00
Dr_Ibbs	Call		15.00	150.00	1880.00
Skip123	Check
Flop
		4 7 10
Dr_Ibbs	Check
Skip123	Check
royals69	Bet		150.00	300.00	1842.50
eating	Fold
jakx85	All-in		1685.00	1985.00	0.00
Dr_Ibbs	Fold
Skip123	Fold
royals69	Call		1535.00	3520.00	307.50
royals69	Show	10 K
jakx85	Show	7 7
Turn
		7
River
		5
jakx85	Win	Four 7s	3520.00		3520.00

jakx85

a good hand!  this was not from the cash table tho

jakx85

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
killariver	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£7.64
marc1960	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£2.86
	Your hole cards	K K
Warren74	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£15.39
nin777	Call		£0.08	£0.28	£7.14
jakx85	Raise		£0.44	£0.72	£4.26
killariver	Fold
marc1960	Call		£0.36	£1.08	£2.50
Warren74	Fold
nin777	Fold
Flop
		3 5 K
marc1960	Check
jakx85	Bet		£0.54	£1.62	£3.72
marc1960	All-in		£2.50	£4.12	£0.00
jakx85	Call		£1.96	£6.08	£1.76
marc1960	Show	5 6
jakx85	Show	K K
Turn
		2
River
		8
jakx85	Win	Three Kings	£5.62		£7.38

jakx85

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
nin777	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£8.50
jakx85	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£5.00
	Your hole cards	8 9
killariver	Fold
Cymraeg_T	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£12.59
marc1960	Fold
Warren74	Fold
nin777	Raise		£0.20	£0.40	£8.30
jakx85	Call		£0.16	£0.56	£4.84
Cymraeg_T	Call		£0.16	£0.72	£12.43
Flop
		7 2 6
nin777	Check
jakx85	Bet		£0.24	£0.96	£4.60
Cymraeg_T	Call		£0.24	£1.20	£12.19
nin777	Fold
Turn
		K
jakx85	Bet		£0.32	£1.52	£4.28
Cymraeg_T	Call		£0.32	£1.84	£11.87
River
		10
jakx85	Bet		£1.84	£3.68	£2.44
Cymraeg_T	Fold
jakx85	Muck
jakx85	Win		£1.70		£4.14
jakx85	Return		£1.84	£0.14	£5.98

jakx85

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
cuzza64	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£15.66
someboy701	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£7.26
	Your hole cards	7 7
reebows	Fold
jakx85	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£6.95
nin777	Raise		£0.32	£0.52	£7.04
layla1975	Fold
cuzza64	Fold
someboy701	Call		£0.24	£0.76	£7.02
jakx85	Call		£0.24	£1.00	£6.71
Flop
		Q 8 7
someboy701	Check
jakx85	Check
nin777	Check
Turn
		4
someboy701	Check
jakx85	Bet		£1.00	£2.00	£5.71
nin777	Fold
someboy701	Fold
jakx85	Muck
jakx85	Win		£0.92		£6.63
jakx85	Return		£1.00	£0.08	£7.63

Tikay10

In Response to Re: what is going on!!!????:

Had a bad beat, bit too much of a rant really. ive slept now! we learn from it all i suppose never mind i dont think i will give up just yet..
Posted by jakx85

So do you still think there are bots here? That was the allegation you made.


"thanks again sky from all the players ya placed the bot on"

Sir-Gary

If the Bots play as badly as that, please bring them on. I used to multi table cash with a large number of tables open, when you do that you don't have time to chat or even think too much, so you have to play in an almost robotic fashion. I have frequently been called a bot because of it. The conversation in the chat box goes something like this:-

Anon:- That gary is a bot the site should do something about these bots.

Gary: - You call me a bot again and I shall blow a fuse.

Anon:- All the bots say that

jakx85

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In Response to Re: what is going on!!!???? : So do you still think there are bots here? That was the allegation you made. "thanks again sky from all the players ya placed the bot on"
Posted by Tikay10

No! i didnt mean per say he was a bot! I was refering to ''Bot'' play... player calling that has to be a machine! So does this mean i think he's an actual machine? No of course not, its just a reference... And as for the for thanks from everyone, well that was the table domina (im not to blame for that)... If you find your thing to comment on all the negitive post by definding that kind of play then so be it each to there own. It's a forum to share and express so let us express the feeling of bad play without you defending it!