Being called a station

OMahonyO · February 2010

This hand arose last night. At the end of it the villain in question called me a station quite a few times, and maybe I was.
I would usually brush comments like this off, but this was from quite a decent player and forum reg who seems to know his stuff, so I am open to critisism here.
I am usually on miniview but had this table on standard view and could obv see the chat, which also makes me wonder what else I get called in the chatbox that I dont know about lol.

Flop
tvrchimp11	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£5.80
passpat2-	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£9.42
	Your hole cards	9 9
xxxx	Raise		£0.80	£1.10	£18.90
DodgySkag	Fold
OMahonyO	Call		£0.80	£1.90	£18.51
CLOUDS	Call		£0.80	£2.70	£19.93
tvrchimp11	Fold
passpat2-	Fold
		K 3 6
xxxx	Bet		£2.03	£4.73	£16.87
OMahonyO	Call		£2.03	£6.76	£16.48
CLOUDS	Fold
Turn
		8
xxxx	Bet		£4.80	£11.56	£12.07
OMahonyO	Call		£4.80	£16.36	£11.68
River
		9
xxxx	Check
OMahonyO	All-in		£11.68	£28.04	£0.00
xxxx	Call		£11.68	£39.72	£0.39
xxxx	Show	A K
OMahonyO	Show	9 9
OMahonyO	Win	Three 9s	£37.92		£37.92

IRISHROVER · February 2010

yep that was a clapham junction !

ACESOVER8s · February 2010

Suppose it depends why your calling and what you put them on. Context is everything but i prob would be firing a raise in on the flop to find out if he has that king (although with no history the pre flop raise and 3/4 pot bet on the flop looks like he's strong here)

Ms_Chips · February 2010

In Response to Being called a station:

This hand arose last night. At the end of it the villain in question called me a station quite a few times, and maybe I was. I would usually brush comments like this off, but this was from quite a decent player and forum reg who seems to know his stuff, so I am open to critisism here. I am usually on miniview but had this table on standard view and could obv see the chat, which also makes me wonder what else I get called in the chatbox that I dont know about lol. tvrchimp11 Small blind £0.10 £0.10 £5.80 passpat2- Big blind £0.20 £0.30 £9.42 Your hole cards 9 9 xxxx Raise £0.80 £1.10 £18.90 DodgySkag Fold OMahonyO Call £0.80 £1.90 £18.51 CLOUDS Call £0.80 £2.70 £19.93 tvrchimp11 Fold passpat2- Fold Flop K 3 6 xxxx Bet £2.03 £4.73 £16.87 OMahonyO Call £2.03 £6.76 £16.48 CLOUDS Fold Turn 8 xxxx Bet £4.80 £11.56 £12.07 OMahonyO Call £4.80 £16.36 £11.68 River 9 xxxx Check OMahonyO All-in £11.68 £28.04 £0.00 xxxx Call £11.68 £39.72 £0.39 xxxx Show A K OMahonyO Show 9 9 OMahonyO Win Three 9s £37.92 £37.92
Posted by OMahonyO

Okay, you know he's a decent player and a reg. So you need to understand that here is UTG range is at his tighest. I don't know how many tables you play but you need to pay close attention to his cbet pattern because here he has double barrelled. Good players will double barrell this with AQ, AJ....

You need to reraise the flop to slow him down and ask the question. if he comes over the top, you know your crushed and save your self some money otherwise this will be a big leak in your game.

But your a good player Mahony so pay closer attention to developing a read on your opponents.

philmenow · February 2010

In Response to Being called a station:

This hand arose last night. At the end of it the villain in question called me a station quite a few times, and maybe I was. I would usually brush comments like this off, but this was from quite a decent player and forum reg who seems to know his stuff, so I am open to critisism here. I am usually on miniview but had this table on standard view and could obv see the chat, which also makes me wonder what else I get called in the chatbox that I dont know about lol. tvrchimp11 Small blind £0.10 £0.10 £5.80 passpat2- Big blind £0.20 £0.30 £9.42 Your hole cards 9 9 xxxx Raise £0.80 £1.10 £18.90 DodgySkag Fold OMahonyO Call £0.80 £1.90 £18.51 CLOUDS Call £0.80 £2.70 £19.93 tvrchimp11 Fold passpat2- Fold Flop K 3 6 xxxx Bet £2.03 £4.73 £16.87 OMahonyO Call £2.03 £6.76 £16.48 CLOUDS Fold Turn 8 xxxx Bet £4.80 £11.56 £12.07 OMahonyO Call £4.80 £16.36 £11.68 River 9 xxxx Check OMahonyO All-in £11.68 £28.04 £0.00 xxxx Call £11.68 £39.72 £0.39 xxxx Show A K OMahonyO Show 9 9 OMahonyO Win Three 9s £37.92 £37.92
Posted by OMahonyO

id be questioning xxxx call at the end,ur still in the pot after all xxxx questions,and he assumes that hes still ahead with 1 pair,you couldv quite easily flopped a set or 2 pair.. yes you get lukky,but you were ahead preflop and IF all the money had gone in preflop the outcome would be the same..,

sikas · February 2010

hmm.,...yeah a bit fishy imo, need to consider he has raised utg, then bets 3/4 pot oop into two players, then bets 3/4 pot again, im not sure what part of his range u put him on that he would do that, and what part of this range ur beating... even if he had JJ-QQ he mite slow down a bit on the turn. In future what u could do is re-raise the flop to get a better idea of where u are in the hand, in this case way behind...but prob would be beneficial in future similar situations

Cowgomoo · February 2010

raise preflop, as played fold turn

beaneh · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

raise preflop, as played fold turn
Posted by Cowgomoo

Without any other read, call pre, call flop. Fold turn. OOP c/f flop.

Cowgomoo · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

In Response to Re: Being called a station : Without any other read, call pre, call flop. Fold turn. OOP c/f flop.
Posted by beaneh

Is this stake dependent? Because I dont think YOU would flat 9's pre against an unknown at ur reg level

jimifloyd · February 2010

In Response to Being called a station:

This hand arose last night. At the end of it the villain in question called me a station quite a few times, and maybe I was. I would usually brush comments like this off, but this was from quite a decent player and forum reg who seems to know his stuff, so I am open to critisism here. I am usually on miniview but had this table on standard view and could obv see the chat, which also makes me wonder what else I get called in the chatbox that I dont know about lol. tvrchimp11 Small blind £0.10 £0.10 £5.80 passpat2- Big blind £0.20 £0.30 £9.42 Your hole cards 9 9 xxxx Raise £0.80 £1.10 £18.90 DodgySkag Fold OMahonyO Call £0.80 £1.90 £18.51 CLOUDS Call £0.80 £2.70 £19.93 tvrchimp11 Fold passpat2- Fold Flop K 3 6 xxxx Bet £2.03 £4.73 £16.87 OMahonyO Call £2.03 £6.76 £16.48 CLOUDS Fold Turn 8 xxxx Bet £4.80 £11.56 £12.07 OMahonyO Call £4.80 £16.36 £11.68 River 9 xxxx Check OMahonyO All-in £11.68 £28.04 £0.00 xxxx Call £11.68 £39.72 £0.39 xxxx Show A K OMahonyO Show 9 9 OMahonyO Win Three 9s £37.92 £37.92
Posted by OMahonyO

That was me you call the flop and turn for a 2 outer roughtly 20/1 shot to hit.
I didnt put you on a set as you would have reraise before the river as it was a flush drawing board.
I only regret not shoving the turn but your exscuse for call was that i 2 barrel with air lol.
Anyone who knows me knows im a nit but i ll mix it up when i wanna.

I knew u had me beat at the river but was willing to pay to just to see as had many 3 outers busting me at that time and was miffed.

If you think that i 2 barrel with air all the time thats fine i could do with that image,no hard feelings now but im just human ive got emotions and as i see you in the forum alot giving advice i didn't think you would do summit like that.

Gl at the tables all.

beaneh · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

In Response to Re: Being called a station : Is this stake dependent? Because I dont think YOU would flat 9's pre against an unknown at ur reg level
Posted by Cowgomoo

You need a sick read mate to be 3 betting the co vs an utg open with 99. I'd rather have J4s.

jimifloyd · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

In Response to Re: Being called a station : You need a sick read mate to be 3 betting the co vs an utg open with 99. I'd rather have J4s.
Posted by beaneh

Totally agree if i come over the top all in pre does he really wanna flip for his stack especially as in my postion my range is way ahead of 99.It would be a minus EV call to my range although on this occasion its a race and he woulda riverred me long term he would leak money left right and center.

beaneh · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

In Response to Being called a station : That was me you call the flop and turn for a 2 outer roughtly 20/1 shot to hit. I didnt put you on a set as you would have reraise before the river as it was a flush drawing board. I only regret not shoving the turn but your exscuse for call was that i 2 barrel with air lol. Anyone who knows me knows im a nit but i ll mix it up when i wanna. I knew u had me beat at the river but was willing to pay to just to see as had many 3 outers busting me at that time and was miffed. If you think that i 2 barrel with air all the time thats fine i could do with that image,no hard feelings now but im just human ive got emotions and as i see you in the forum alot giving advice i didn't think you would do summit like that. Gl at the tables all.
Posted by jimifloyd

You've gotta remember he's not calling the flop thinking that you have AK really now is he!!!

CardGenius · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

raise preflop, as played fold turn
Posted by Cowgomoo

Really?? re raise a reg in utg with 99?? I think that may be a bit aggro if he re pops then what do you do? if he flats do you know anymore than if you call and try and hit your set? I am in no way saying your wrong just wondering whats you thinking hear??

jimifloyd · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

In Response to Re: Being called a station : You've gotta remember he's not calling the flop thinking that you have AK really now is he!!!
Posted by beaneh

There is so much more than ak beating him im asking the questions yet if he doesnt believe me why no reraise.If he thinks hes good get his money in before the river but to me hes calling streets for over a 20/1 shot.You can all play how u wanna thats up to you im righting a short response beaneh the flop call wasn,t bad i agree if i check the turn then he thinks hes good.I called him a station in regrds to the situation of calling streets not the flop call.Its a genralization why nitpick?

DAVEYZZ · February 2010

i dont see the need in calling anyone a station,fish,etc* it wont change anything ie the result of the hand or the way the player plays,i prefer to say nh and make a few notes on them.

* i admit to making exceptions to this when called by 8 2 off pre flop for their stack!!

beaneh · February 2010

Jimi, I would call you on the flop because I am ahead of lots of AQ/AJ type hands and still flipping/ahead ish of flush draws. I would then see how you play the turn. I am NOT 20/1 vs a flush draw.

Being a calling station in holdem isn't the worst thing for the pure reason that it's blooming well hard to actually hit the flop in holdem!

You want people calling you incorrectly so I wouldn't have a go at them when you do. Rather next time I raise K2o and hit Kxx i'd be happy betting like mad against mahoney the fish who cant fold a pocket pair!! Do you see what I mean?

beaneh · February 2010

I have just read back my post. and all I can think is

MAHONEY!!!!

jimifloyd · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

Jimi, I would call you on the flop because I am ahead of lots of AQ/AJ type hands and still flipping/ahead ish of flush draws. I would then see how you play the turn. I am NOT 20/1 vs a flush draw. Being a calling station in holdem isn't the worst thing for the pure reason that it's blooming well hard to actually hit the flop in holdem! You want people calling you incorrectly so I wouldn't have a go at them when you do. Rather next time I raise K2o and hit Kxx i'd be happy betting like mad against mahoney the fish who cant fold a pocket pair!! Do you see what I mean?
Posted by beaneh

I deffo see what you mean and i respect your game but im not righting an essay on hear for myself just quick points on the matter.I didn't want my laundry airing but it was.

It was at a bad spell of 3outers bustin me at the time m8 like i said im human i gotta let off some steam.

beaneh · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

In Response to Re: Being called a station : I deffo see what you mean and i respect your game but im not righting an essay on hear for myself just quick points on the matter.I didn't want my laundry airing but it was. It was at a bad spell of 3outers bustin me at the time m8 like i said im human i gotta let off some steam.
Posted by jimifloyd

yup poker sucks balls. and every hand where you are not 100% to win has the possibility of sucking like balls.

Taking a break and coming back refreshed always helps.

Gl at the tables.

jimifloyd · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

In Response to Re: Being called a station : yup poker sucks balls. and every hand where you are not 100% to win has the possibility of sucking like balls. Taking a break and coming back refreshed always helps. Gl at the tables.
Posted by beaneh

thx m8 and i did lol not a long 1 though.

gl to you too.

STEVEMAX · February 2010

I find people only start calling you names when they:-
         Lose

ChirpyChip · February 2010

re raise pre flop... that was 1st error in the hand.... then re raise flop bet.... see where you are.... otherwise nice hit lol

OMahonyO · February 2010

Well, I didnt expect this thread to get this much interest.

First of all, I`d like to say, I didnt post this, so ppl would have a go at the name caller or w/e as I hid his id. Also, I knew this was a decent player, so it did make me stand up and take note. I
I had to get views as Ive been called a donk before on other occasions when I may have 4bet someone all in pre with KK and they show AA, only for me to hit a King and stack them.

Obv this is tilt talkin most of the time, so was wondering if this was also.

In hindsight, it was pretty bad play by me, i admit, and there seems to be quite a bit of good advice in this thread.

What I`m saying is, it wasnt offensive being called stuff, and I actually prefer it as it can plug leaks etc in the future.
If nothing was mentioned in the chat, I wouldnt have posted anything here, and would not have had the oppurtunities to read all of the advice.
I`d had quite a few beers, which is no excuse, but I wudda just forgotten about the hand.

fwiw jimifloyd, this play was pretty out of character for me and i`d prob do it 1 time in 100 if that.

Anyway, I made it up to you a few hands later on another table when you stacked me with your flopped set vs my AA. ;-)

gl

offshoot · February 2010

i think you played the hand fine and dont agree with the vast majority of advice in this thread. Everytime someone double barrells do we just assume they have top pair?

Tikay10 · February 2010

Just remember one thing OMrO O'MahoneyO.

You NEVER get called a station, or anything else, when you LOSE the hand. Only when you win.

And if you ARE a station, & hit now & then, well that's your perfect right, as it's your money you are playing with.

Imagine that both hands were face up after the Turn. Your Oppo would be more than happy to take his chance if you call, as he is a monsta favourite.

scotty77 · February 2010

Knowing villain I think its a fold turn.

Against some regs at 20nl tho I think a call is fine tho.

jimifloyd · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

Well, I didnt expect this thread to get this much interest. First of all, I`d like to say, I didnt post this, so ppl would have a go at the name caller or w/e as I hid his id. Also, I knew this was a decent player, so it did make me stand up and take note. I I had to get views as Ive been called a donk before on other occasions when I may have 4bet someone all in pre with KK and they show AA, only for me to hit a King and stack them. Obv this is tilt talkin most of the time, so was wondering if this was also. In hindsight, it was pretty bad play by me, i admit, and there seems to be quite a bit of good advice in this thread. What I`m saying is, it wasnt offensive being called stuff, and I actually prefer it as it can plug leaks etc in the future. If nothing was mentioned in the chat, I wouldnt have posted anything here, and would not have had the oppurtunities to read all of the advice. I`d had quite a few beers, which is no excuse, but I wudda just forgotten about the hand. fwiw jimifloyd, this play was pretty out of character for me and i`d prob do it 1 time in 100 if that. Anyway, I made it up to you a few hands later on another table when you stacked me with your flopped set vs my AA. ;-) gl
Posted by OMahonyO

No hard feelings m8 just heat of the moment.

As for Offshoot lets assume that no one has anything from any position,lets not put them on a range,let us not reraise to find out where we are at, just play our own cards and calll everything thats poker.

offshoot · February 2010

fwiw i think you checking river is worse than him calling the turn.

jimifloyd · February 2010

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fwiw i think you checking river is worse than him calling the turn.
Posted by offshoot

Like im gonna get him off 3 barrelling lol.
I thought i was behind on the river and as you see i was.
You wouldda got him off a set right lmao.

Fwiw who are you.

beaneh · February 2010

In Response to Re: Being called a station:

let us not reraise to find out where we are at
Posted by jimifloyd

This a million times.

Also AKcc shoulda bet river

And how long to photos take to approve mine was well funny at the time!

Being called a station

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