getting the idea of loose passive players without showdown

craigcu12

I keep finding myself in real difficulty with broadway cards against the weak passive. The majority of them have a loose passive image preflop but I think the habits change post flop some will give up right away others might chase runner runners thereby giving up on unimproved turns and then you'll have your gamblers. Holding a pair or better I can go into the flop with ease and put full attemption onto the board without much concern about the calls. I do sometimes notice players doing folds on a turn card I'm thinking would be more likely to get calls and  othertimes I get suprised when the aggressive player gives up on streets where the card was a brick. What I'm wanting to do now is work out just how loose a player is post flop.

I'm thinking here that the player must be a very loose caller on the flop who might easily give up on the turn OOP because when I saw the 7 I thought now he'll have even greater reason to call the hands i'm beating especially if I made a nice value bet.

ellroy84	Small blind		15.00	15.00	10090.00
j3ono	Big blind		30.00	45.00	4770.00
	Your hole cards	J J
danspot	Fold
a	Call		30.00	75.00	4580.00
craigcu12	Raise		90.00	165.00	3985.00
Benalman	Fold
ellroy84	Fold
j3ono	Fold
a	Call		60.00	225.00	4520.00
Flop
		Q 10 8
a	Check
craigcu12	Bet		90.00	315.00	3895.00
a	Call		90.00	405.00	4430.00
Turn
		7
a	Check
craigcu12	Bet		180.00	585.00	3715.00
a	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		405.00		4120.00
craigcu12	Return		180.00	0.00	4300.00

being a large size bet I wasn't totally certain he'd call draws especially weaker draws and he might now give up middle pair I was still certain he'd call  what i'm looking at now is how can I use this to my advantage with hands like AQ KQ?

wynne1938	Small blind		40.00	40.00	4265.00
oscarpet	Big blind		80.00	120.00	3392.50
	Your hole cards	A A
MacMonster	Fold
micky6chin	Fold
b	Call		80.00	200.00	3390.00
craigcu12	Raise		320.00	520.00	4510.00
wynne1938	Fold
oscarpet	Fold
b	Call		240.00	760.00	3150.00
Flop
		J 10 7
b	Check
craigcu12	Bet		560.00	1320.00	3950.00
b	Call		560.00	1880.00	2590.00
Turn
		7
b	Check
craigcu12	Bet		1440.00	3320.00	2510.00
b	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		1880.00		4390.00
craigcu12	Return		1440.00	0.00	5830.00

What are your thoughts about the opponent in this hand

wynne1938	Small blind		75.00	75.00	8062.50
SidV79	Big blind		150.00	225.00	30995.00
	Your hole cards	A A
c	Call		150.00	375.00	11304.17
jdizzle618	Fold
WUBBZY1401	Fold
craigcu12	Raise		600.00	975.00	5755.00
wynne1938	Fold
SidV79	Fold
c	Call		450.00	1425.00	10854.17
Flop
		6 J 2
c	Bet		150.00	1575.00	10704.17
craigcu12	Raise		600.00	2175.00	5155.00
c	Call		450.00	2625.00	10254.17
Turn
		7
c	Bet		900.00	3525.00	9354.17
craigcu12	Call		900.00	4425.00	4255.00
River
		6
c	Bet		900.00	5325.00	8454.17
craigcu12	All-in		4255.00	9580.00	0.00
c	Fold
craigcu12	Muck
craigcu12	Win		6225.00		6225.00
craigcu12	Return		3355.00	0.00	9580.00

F_Ivanovic

I'm not sure what difficult spot you are finding yourself in any of these hands?

craigcu12

In Response to Re: getting the idea of loose passive players without showdown:

I'm not sure what difficult spot you are finding yourself in any of these hands?
Posted by F_Ivanovic

I don't actually find myself in a difficult spot on these occassions, I'm trying to get advice on getting an idea  of how loose an opponent really is post flop without needing to consistantly go into showdown. It will mean I can start getting the greatest of value from hands good and make a better approach with broardcards that missed the flop because at this minute in time seem to be having a nightmare.

unknown_username

mate put some hands that you have got in trouble with. i dont like the call on turn on last 1 but you got extra bet out of it.

MattBates

In Response to Re: getting the idea of loose passive players without showdown:

In Response to Re: getting the idea of loose passive players without showdown : I don't actually find myself in a difficult spot on these occassions, I'm trying to get advice on getting an idea  of how loose an opponent really is post flop without needing to consistantly go into showdown. It will mean I can start getting the greatest of value from hands good and make a better approach with broardcards that missed the flop because at this minute in time seem to be having a nightmare.
Posted by craigcu12

There aren't rules! Just get a feel for playing down the streets, you wont be right all the time. No one is. You cant put every player in a set category of plays all hands this way.

F_Ivanovic

In Response to Re: getting the idea of loose passive players without showdown:

In Response to Re: getting the idea of loose passive players without showdown : I don't actually find myself in a difficult spot on these occassions, I'm trying to get advice on getting an idea  of how loose an opponent really is post flop without needing to consistantly go into showdown. It will mean I can start getting the greatest of value from hands good and make a better approach with broardcards that missed the flop because at this minute in time seem to be having a nightmare.
Posted by craigcu12

Watch how they play in hands that you're not involved in - you will quickly get a read on how light they are calling down. Then if you know they're calling down really light you have to be prepared to value-bet really light and also to only ever bluff them if you a) have lots of equity and b) the board run out is really good for a bluff. 

If they're not calling down light then because they have such a wide range pre-flop then bluffing them will be super profitable. 

craigcu12

In Response to Re: getting the idea of loose passive players without showdown:

mate put some hands that you have got in trouble with. i dont like the call on turn on last 1 but you got extra bet out of it.
Posted by MICKYBLUE

When you say that do you mean as in I should be raising?

unknown_username

me yeah i raise there mate, for 1 he hits the other 6 with his k6 or something pants and boom you get a bad beat which could of been avoided on the turn, but hey what i know. 

you played heads up mate? that gets you picking up on calling stations pretty quickly

craigcu12

In Response to Re: getting the idea of loose passive players without showdown:

me yeah i raise there mate, for 1 he hits the other 6 with his k6 or something pants and boom you get a bad beat which could of been avoided on the turn, but hey what i know.  you played heads up mate? that gets you picking up on calling stations pretty quickly
Posted by MICKYBLUE

getting the correct size is something that I can find difficult against these guys post flop especially when it's a 3bet. I expect my hand to be ahead of his range most times but a 3et does pose a risk of making those weaker hands fold and when holding AA that does feel like a risk.

I've never really played HU, I;ve occassionally had a brief period of HU whilst waiting for the table to fill but the majority of times ddn't look sucessful.