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Donks

edited August 2016 in Cash Strategy
Higher stakes you play are you less likely to find donks?  I don't mind loosing a hand but lower stakes its like bingo. Raised pre flop with ak suited a bloke reraised me, can't remember how it went but I hit 2pair and he wins full house with a 7,5. Plays a 7,5 off suit ffs and with a raise pre flop and on the flop as I hit there. I know you'll always get people who play wild but lower stakes feels almost like bingo and always wondering have they hit 2 pair or something even when all low cards on a rainbow flop. Thinking is it better to just move up I mean I've been to the casino and couldn't even find a seat for anything less than 50p blinds. Would feel better to loose to a decent hand even if I lost more money.

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  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Donks:
    Higher stakes you play are you less likely to find donks?  I don't mind loosing a hand but lower stakes its like bingo. Raised pre flop with ak suited a bloke reraised me, can't remember how it went but I hit 2pair and he wins full house with a 7,5. Plays a 7,5 off suit ffs and with a raise pre flop and on the flop as I hit there. I know you'll always get people who play wild but lower stakes feels almost like bingo and always wondering have they hit 2 pair or something even when all low cards on a rainbow flop. Thinking is it better to just move up I mean I've been to the casino and couldn't even find a seat for anything less than 50p blinds. Would feel better to loose to a decent hand even if I lost more money.
    Posted by smilewiper
    I don't play a lot of cash smilewiper but I think at the lower stakes the spin up tables may have something to do with this I have dabbled in both and I found myself playing really badly after playing the spin ups 
  • edited June 2016
    I feel like Phil hellmuth when I loose to bad hands lol. I still expect their is wild players at any stakes as money have different values for people. I just feel more angry when someone has played a hand  they shouldn't have. Even if more times than not I win them I just fill with rage the minute I loose to something as terrible as 75 off suit lol. Thinking to jump up to at least 25/50 or maybe 50p/£1. I think a few quid will have more people folding terrible hands than say 30p.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Donks:
    I feel like Phil hellmuth when I loose to bad hands lol. I still expect their is wild players at any stakes as money have different values for people. I just feel more angry when someone has played a hand  they shouldn't have. Even if more times than not I win them I just fill with rage the minute I loose to something as terrible as 75 off suit lol. Thinking to jump up to at least 25/50 or maybe 50p/£1. I think a few quid will have more people folding terrible hands than say 30p.
    Posted by smilewiper
    That's good to know mate if I ever play you I will donk you till you tilt ;-) gl on the tables
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Donks:
    In Response to Re: Donks : That's good to know mate if I ever play you I will donk you till you tilt ;-) gl on the tables
    Posted by weecheez1
    Haha not a chance, I've wasted money going on tilt. Now if I feel its going that way I go walk the dog for half an hour. 
  • edited June 2016
    You don't want players to fold trash when you have a strong hand. You don't want to avoid players who flat 57o  to a 3bet

    Lower stakes players are very exploitable.

    If they don't fold then be very value orientated,

    If you move up you will still find loose weak players, but the regs will be much better. Games will likely build around you.

    If you can't beat low stakes recreational you won't beat higher limits.

    Glgl
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Donks:
    You don't want players to fold trash when you have a strong hand. You don't want to avoid players who flat 57o  to a 3bet Lower stakes players are very exploitable. If they don't fold then be very value orientated, If you move up you will still find loose weak players, but the regs will be much better. Games will likely build around you. If you can't beat low stakes recreational you won't beat higher limits. Glgl
    Posted by TeddyBloat
    I win more than I loose on the lower stakes. It's just when I loose to a hand I can't understand why they even played I get annoyed. On top of that with the lower stakes it takes many hours to reach an amount where I feel happy. Of course we always want more money lol but think I'd prefer to go a bit higher so won't have to do as many hours or maybe try more than one table. My bankroll allows me around 200pounds a week not a lot I know but if I loose that it doesn't affect my life. 
  • edited June 2016
    If you're beating your limit you're doing well, so nothing wrong with playing higher.

    Getting annoyed when villains win with bad hands is a definite leak that you will want to fix though.

    One way of changing mindset that worked for me is this:

    We make money when people play trash hands. Occasionally we lose to that trash. But that means occasionally the weak players win. While you are annoyed they get a nice hit in the pleasure receptors of their brain. This reward reenforces their bad play as they remember all the times they crack big hands and forget the times they have to check-fold after missing the flop.

    We want bad players to keep playing poorly. That means we have to take our medicine at times and suffer coolers to poorly played hands. Best way to think of it is to imagine Mr 57o being conditioned to play badly. It's a tax we pay to keep people playing badly.
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Donks:
    Higher stakes you play are you less likely to find donks?  I don't mind loosing a hand but lower stakes its like bingo. Raised pre flop with ak suited a bloke reraised me, can't remember how it went but I hit 2pair and he wins full house with a 7,5. Plays a 7,5 off suit ffs and with a raise pre flop and on the flop as I hit there. I know you'll always get people who play wild but lower stakes feels almost like bingo and always wondering have they hit 2 pair or something even when all low cards on a rainbow flop. Thinking is it better to just move up I mean I've been to the casino and couldn't even find a seat for anything less than 50p blinds. Would feel better to loose to a decent hand even if I lost more money.
    Posted by smilewiper

       A very interesting post here with several very important pieces of information missing. Firstly what were the relative table positions. Secondly how the board came out is vital. You say you hit the flop but if only 1 pair then he had 2 pair or trips and was ahead at this stage.

      With there being no mention of a prefllop 4-bet i am assuming you flatted his 3-bet. This means he was playing aggressively and trying to win the pot whilst you were trying to hit the board.

      Now preflop you were only about a 2 to 1 favourite to win so not that bad a beat if it all goes in there and you lose. The thing that most grabbed my attention was you are classing his play as bad. But for me 3-betting with a weak hand especially in position is quite a nice little play. He was always giving himself 2 chances to win, to hit and have the best hand or make you fold.
     If he had been calling and chasing all the way then his play is not great and luck based but here it was not. Before saying things about other players in a hand it is important to follow our own actions as well to see if we played it wrong or let it happen to us. Without knowledge of the board you have not looked at the hand properly and analysed it. Results mean very little hand to hand just how we got to these results
  • edited June 2016
    In Response to Re: Donks:
    If you're beating your limit you're doing well, so nothing wrong with playing higher. Getting annoyed when villains win with bad hands is a definite leak that you will want to fix though. One way of changing mindset that worked for me is this: We make money when people play trash hands. Occasionally we lose to that trash. But that means occasionally the weak players win. While you are annoyed they get a nice hit in the pleasure receptors of their brain. This reward reenforces their bad play as they remember all the times they crack big hands and forget the times they have to check-fold after missing the flop. We want bad players to keep playing poorly. That means we have to take our medicine at times and suffer coolers to poorly played hands. Best way to think of it is to imagine Mr 57o being conditioned to play badly. It's a tax we pay to keep people playing badly.
    Posted by TeddyBloat
    Yes nice posts Tommy. 

    One of the major (poker strategy) differences between players that are able to keep moving up the stakes / beat higher stakes and those who are not, is that their strategy is based on their villain's weakness and they are always adapting to the situations presented to them. 

    There is no "1 strategy fits all" solution for poker, how much does your strategy change for each villain?

    When you next play try to identify what weaknesses the villains at your table have and figure out a way to exploit these weaknesses.  E.g. Like Teddy Said, if villain doesn't fold then over value bet them when you hit and avoid bluffing them when you dont hit.

    Discipline and work ethic conquers all though~ work on improving your game every day- whether it be strategy, mental game or bankroll management...yes every day!  If you want to get ahead then be responsible for your own success.

    Even if just for 1 hour a day, you'll find your chances of rising through the stakes will significantly improve in a short period of time.  There are loads of way to improve, invest in yourself, time and $$ - it'll pay dividends.

    Trying to shortcut this process and move up stakes without beating previous stakes may leave you with a big skill/ability deficit relative to the new higher stakes you are playing, especially if you have done this out of frustration - do you really think the higher stakes are easier than the lower ones? lol...

    However we all have different risk tolerances and goals, so whatever works best for you and your situation.

    You certainly learn faster by playing stronger players, which may make it worth your while to play higher stakes seeing as your bankroll has no dependencies and can be frequently reloaded.

    P.S. Generally the bigger the stakes, the bigger the fish / degenerates
  • edited August 2016
    In Response to Re: Donks:
    I feel like Phil hellmuth when I loose to bad hands lol. I still expect their is wild players at any stakes as money have different values for people. I just feel more angry when someone has played a hand  they shouldn't have. Even if more times than not I win them I just fill with rage the minute I loose to something as terrible as 75 off suit lol. Thinking to jump up to at least 25/50 or maybe 50p/£1. I think a few quid will have more people folding terrible hands than say 30p.
    Posted by smilewiper
    Hi Mr.Wiper.
    The one thing that stands out here is " someone has played a hand they shouldn't have", may I kindly ask why they shouldn't be doing so? Everyone pays their money to play so can play what hands they choose. I feel when this concept sinks in you will become less tilted, any advice from Teddy is great btw.
  • edited August 2016
    Yeah I make you right, people can play what they want. Also tbh I would probably welcome such players now. Would just try to control the pot and exploit if I manage to get the nuts. I would admit it is a leak to get annoyed when loosing to a random hand that has you thinking wtf why would he even have that in he's range. I am spending every day though when not playing poker reading forums and watching YouTube videos just to get opinions on so many different things. Have fallen in love with the game in a major way. Just from the time I made this topic to today I honestly feel I have improved in my way of thinking and handling situations. I put a lot of that down to literally hours of reading and watching videos to see others opinions on things.
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