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I started playing here about a month and a half back and have enjoyed learning to play Hold Em, mainly in tournaments and a few DYM six seaters too, Ive only tried cash games a couple of times and simply dont enjoy it, so its something I intend to leave alone.
My question is will I loose out learning circle wise by not playing cash games?, and by stick to tournament play instead? Im sort of assuming theres elements of play Im not going to learn maybe?, that will maybe cost me dearly in the longer run in tournament play, if that makes any sense
Another question, which are currently the best books to read with regards to tournament play? something that suits the modern online game and maybe help deepen my understanding of the game overall,
Really enjoyed my time at the tables win or loose, very nice site and players, think this will be a good place for me to develop my game
thanks in advance for any advce answers
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Hi Arctic,
I can count on the fingers of one hand players who excel at Tournaments AND Cash games - it's very rare indeed to be good enough to win at both.
And no, you are not missing any learning experience by focussing on one or the other, as not all the skills transfer well.
You seem to be doing ok at MTT's, so if I were you, I'd stick to them.
Books I'd recommend? None. The logic of learning poker from books is lost on me. Imagine a really good book such as Super System, which is arguably the best ever. Now imagine EVERY poker player on earth reads it, & absorbs the lessons. The result would be we'd all play the same game & have no edge.
Watch others, experiment, keep your discipline, & don't be afraid to do the odd quirky thing.
Good luck, hope you'll soon be an Arctic on a roll.
And if you get the fundamentals right, it's easier to be a winner in the 4 card game than the 2 card game. And, unlike NLH, it's a post flop game, where we play down the streets, not a pre-flop game. More thinking, more fun.
The best advice I would add, is only stake what you can afford to lose and get the best value from it by playing low stake, longer games in order to get the most practice.
you can be better than the players aroud you and still lose a fair rate to the rake. dont read too much into your bankroll results at those stakes, the rake will mask your improvements - you can be beating your opponents pre-rake for quite a clip before you profit after rake.
you will face similar issues across the low stakes games offered.
B/H are lower variance however and will be softer than other MTTs on sky, so a really good place to learn MTT's and build a roll.
He's on a roll.
Well done Arctic.
Good to see you seem to be enjoying the game and I agree with Tikay's comments regarding OH8.
Regarding best books etc...
There are obviously many ways to learn such as; reading books, watching training videos, experimenting and observing other players. I think it is a big mistake to entirely dismiss or advocate one of these as the best or worst way to learn. We are all individuals and individuals all have varying learning styles. I personally get bored reading so learn more effectively watching video content but there are many people who learn more effectively from reading. It depends on you and what engages you the most. Give all avenues a try and see what works best for you personally.
Regarding the books, I know they are all out there in the public domain so the argument can be made that everyone could read them and thus everything is public knowledge and everyone will know what you are up to. I would disagree with this, mainly as not everyone will go to the bother of reading them. I have played for a number of years and although books do not particularly engage me I feel I should have made a bit more effort than I have to read more. If you find credible books then there will be masses of players who have not read what you are reading (granted a few may have). Even if others have read them, we all take different stuff out of the same text (just look at the different ways people interpret the bible/koran for evidence of that.
I personally would suggest...
- Give all avenues of learning a try.
- Keep enjoying the game (it is much easier to learn if we are enjoying the experience).
- Don't get too hung up on short term wins or loses (NLHE MTT's are more about the long run).
- Review your exit hands and your play in general and make sure there was solid logic behind it (win or lose).
- Make sure you are using effective bankroll management.
Best of luck to you and maybe see you on the tables soon!oioi,well done.
Arctic on a heater.